i did argue the facts, and we found that he gave up the debate, not because he was right, but because he couldn't defend it anymore. perhaps you could read it and find out that what you think are facts are a bit more slippery than you'd imagine.

all i'm looking for is things verified by independent sources outside our governmental entities.

and remember, globe earth theory predicts a curvature of the earth that can't be found anywhere by anyone other than those that claim to see ships going over the horizon (they don't, see video starting at 3:04 for examples of this)

we also have the Suez Canal that is 100 miles as the crows flies and is completely level (accounting for just a few inches of change between the two ends...) globe theory predicts an 80+ feet of drop or 640 feet of drop (it is very hard to find the curvature of the earth equation... quora but 80 feet is a minimum.)

this is what stars look like thru a p900 . . i really want to do this myself, but it appears many others are getting the same results.

here is the end of my debate with mobbs.