How do we know that what we do is RIGHT or WRONG?

in #science7 years ago (edited)

💡HELLO STEEMIANS!💡

I am back today on Steemit because I want to clear my mind with you guys. I need to switch on the small lamp I have got in my brain and begin to think again.

What is MORALITY? How do you know that what you are doing is right or wrong? Shell we talk about it? And moreover, is there a "moral sense" in the brain? And what if it had its evolutionary process? Let's start from the top.

"Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour."

This is one of the best-known definition which you can find on the Oxford dictionary. And yet we could not provide an equally clear definition of morality from a scientific point of view.

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Although many studies have been conducted, and there are measurements of brain activity during a moral choice, it is difficult to say whether this exists and what its evolutionary significance is.

People move, or perform an arithmetic calculation, and these actions can be verified and quantified. We can not say the same for moral choices. Again, and above all, a movement and a calculation can be performed correctly or incorrectly, right or wrong. This verifiability allows experimenters to "search the brain" to find the areas that turn on to perform these tasks. In the case of moral choices, since the rules differ from culture to culture, it is not possible to verify whether a person has correctly performed a "moral task".

In short, there is no "right result" at all when it comes to issues of this kind.

Many think that morality does not exist, or at least it is not a natural endowment of man and that it can only be learned a posteriori.

Let's try to do a "MENTAL EXPERIMENT" to try and answer our key question: is there a moral sense in people? If so, how would you benefit from the evolutionary plan for survival?

Imagine that a machine was invented which could duplicate a person exactly for what he or she is at that precise moment. Try yourself: you are facing your exact duplicate,
how would you behave?

We take two extremes: if such a thing happened to subjects like a mafia boss we would witness, in a few moments, to a deadly duel. On the contrary, if you imagine someone like the nice guy next door it is easy to imagine that the two would agree in a very short time on what to do.

What do I want to demonstrate, or rather point out?

We know very well who we are deep inside, so we know how to behave in front of ourselves. We know each other so well, that we could predict how we would behave.

In the same way, when we are confronting ourselves with others, it is quite evident that a capacity to understand the situation and to choose with whom to ally or not is a necessity imposed by nature.

In general, when it is possible to hypothesise a condition (even imaginary) in which an idea, or a possible object, is necessary in nature, it becomes logical to look for that thing, both in natural phenomenona and in our moral sphere.

This procedure is called "mental experiment" and has been used many times in the history of philosophical and scientific thought. Ultimately, there is an analogy between our predictions of our moral choices and more scientific issues like how life on earth began, or how the mass is formed.

Democritus - the pre-Socratic Greek philosopher - imagined the existence of atoms precisely thanks to a mental experiment: take a quantity of matter and divide it repeatedly until you get parts so small that they have become invisible.
Then he asked himself: could the mass be constituted by the sum of so many "nothings"? Evidently not, so there must be some elementary constituents of matter that we do not see. He called them atoms and so we continued to do until today.

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Science and Ethics are often seen in opposition to one another. One should produce the means, the other should judge over the ultimate purpose of these means.

We are rarely asking ourselves whether something we do is right or wrong, and often let the next scientific advancement rule over our lives. In the past, we allowed the atomic bomb to be produced and to kill 70.000 human lives - instantly.

"Morality makes stupid. Custom represents the experiences of men of earlier times as to what they supposed useful and harmful - but the sense for custom (morality) applies, not to these experiences as such, but to the age, the sanctity, the indiscussibility of the custom. And so this feeling is a hindrance to the acquisition of new experiences and the correction of customs: that is to say, morality is a hindrance to the development of new and better customs: it makes stupid."

This is the end of the utility of Ethics in the words of Friedrich Nietzsche. This passage is from 'Daybreak'.

Nietzsche exhorts everyone to be less judgemental because we could not know whether our actions, or just our intentions for that matter, are bad or good. It is anyone's guess if we are acting good or bad, because we cannot predict the consequences in the long run. Are the effects of the atomic bomb positive in the long run? Maybe, it reduced the risk of overpopulation? No. This is not what Nietzsche really thinks and neither do I.

He rather pushes us to reinvent our moral conduct and base it on other values, not to abandon Ethics tout court.

Do you know a better way to judge your moral behaviour? Is there a scientific way to calculate my moral behaviour? I would like to know!

Thanks for reading,

Ale + Elli

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Well, where to get started on these elementary questions, and where to end if not writing a philosophical book myself? Here are my views in a nutshell: As long as you 'switch on the brain' i.e. our instrument of logic, thinking, evaluating, judging and the like - you are already lost in the first place. Why? Because this instrument is constantly talking and thus upkeeping our 'outer self' which is also called the 'ego'. And, the ego is always 'bad' with regard to others (and sometimes even with regard to yourself). Ethical thinking is a nice way to make you feel 'good' in terms of your character and behavior, your empathy toward others and so on. However, we humans are also 'blessed' with the powers of FEAR and GREED. Once these powers, or just one of them, grow really strong - for a variety of reasons and circumstances in life - not all under our personal control - our ego changes and 'adapts' automatically to some other ethics or even unethical behavior, just to do what it is supposed to do: to keep us alive, or make us rich or powerful or whatever seems to be 'necessary'.
The way out is the power of true and general and non-possesive LOVE. This power normally develops on its own accord in moments where we are able to 'switch off' the thinking brain and constant inner talker. Actions taken out of this inner silence in combination with resulting love, are always 'good' in its very meaning.

Loved this comment as well. I often think about the powers of fear and greed when reflecting on how some people behave. I don't necessarily find 'fault' in them for behaving with one of those instincts as their motivation but rationalize it, as you stated, as them believing that they truly perceived that those actions were necessary to survive. I think sometimes accumulating money is something they might put under the "trying to survive" category, even though in my opinion that's not always the case!
How I quickly judge my moral behavior is by reminding myself of the saying "When there is a doubt, there is no doubt." If you don't think you should be doing it, then don't. I think we often try to justify our actions but need to trust our gut and not our ego more often!

Hey @lawking I really enjoyed reading your comment. I try myself to develop a general love for everyone and everything, but I have to ascertain that it is often 'generic' more then general. I am not sure we are gifted with omnicomprehensive love. I leave that to Jesus. What we could humanly do is to be more inclined to welcome everyone in our lives openly and with no prejudices, to give a chance to everyone.

Fascinating topic. Society can deem some things absolutely immoral, say stealing for example. But when viewed through a subjective lens, it can often become more complicated. Perhaps someone stole to feed their child. Or perhaps they stole medication to save lives. I think it's important not to define morality in harsh absolutes, aka don't be a fundamentalist.

Intervengo in italiano perché non sono sicuro col mio inglese.
Innanzitutto ti ringrazio per il post, davvero molto bello.

Parto dalla tua domanda finale:
Esiste un metodo scientifico per calcolare il comportamento morale? Penso che per rispondere a questa domanda dovrebbe esserci un accordo unanime sul significato di comportamento morale e questo ad oggi non c'è e la domanda diventa simile a quest'altra: esiste un metodo scientifico per giudicare la qualità artistica di un'opera d'arte? E la mia risposta sarebbe la stessa. Non è detto che si trovi un accordo in futuro ma per ora non mi pare sia così.
Faccio un esempio positivo (di dove c'è accordo), alla domanda: esiste un metodo scientifico per misurare un'area rettangolare? La risposta sarebbe sì, ma l'unico modo per dare una risposta affermativa è avere pieno accordo sul significato (e procedura, le due cose vanno a braccetto) di metodo scientifico, misurazione, area rettangolare, strumento di misurazione come il metro, ecc. Vale a dire di tutte le componenti in gioco.

L'esempio della bomba atomica, secondo me, pone dei problemi.
Ad esempio: sei sicura che l'utilizzo della bomba atomica non sia avvenuta in virtù di considerazioni morali? Cioè, chi ha deciso di utilizzare la bomba atomica si è chiesto se la cosa fosse giusta o no? E non si è risposto che era giusto farlo per qualche motivo? Oppure si è lasciato semplicemente travolgere dagli avvenimenti?

Io penso che sulla bomba atomica sia i favorevoli che i contrari seguono alcuni principi etici (seppur diversi), i primi dicendo (forse, ma mi pare che questa sia stata la loro motivazione) è giusto uccidere tot persone per salvarne molte di più facendo terminare la guerra e i contrari dicendo che nessun obiettivo può giustificare la bomba atomica. La contrapposizione è tra principi etici diversi sulla cosa più giusta da fare al momento.

Quello che dice nietzsche è, secondo me, un mettere in guardia dalla morale che diventa consuetudine, questa funziona come il pregiudizio, vale a dire il pregiudizio ci aiuta a comportarci in modo veloce ed ottimale in certe circostanze, se incontro una persona con fare sospetto di notte in strada io mi metto sulle difensive perché ciò potrebbe risultare una minaccia, e per questo motivo (per sfruttare il pregiudizio) un malintenzionato potrebbe ad esempio travestirsi da prete per abbassare il livello di guardia delle persone.

Ma abituarsi a valutare il mondo attraverso i pregiudizi o giudicare il mondo attraverso la morale ci rende stupidi proprio perché risulta una semplificazione che va bene in molti casi ma non sempre, che ci abitua a dare meno tempo alle domande e più spazio all'azione... e sopratutto oggi - che l'occidente segue principi etici e morali dal mio punto di vista non condivisibili - io sono pienamente d'accordo con te:

bisogna reinventare la nostra condotta morale e basarla su altri valori senza abbandonare l'Etica tout court .

Grazie @anedo per il bel contributo a questa discussione, è davvero molto difficile discernere tra un'azione virtuosa e una condotta immorale, siamo ancora troppo confusi dalla morale dei film americani o dal concetto biblico o peggio clericale di buona azione. Poi da italiani e cattolici facciamo presto a confessarci, e ripulire la coscienza..

Mi limito ad aggiungere che la morale andrebbe vista e giudicata da un punto di vista allargato e meno miope, bisogna considerare l'insieme generale delle cose, l'ambiente, gli umani, gli animali, fin dove insomma riusciamo ad abbracciare il mondo con la nostra comprensione, senza per il momento spingerci al di fuori della nostra galassia, per il momento..

La morale ci dovrebbe rendere forti, sicuri delle nostre azioni perché fondate su principi giusti, e non stupidi come ci ha canzonato il buon Friedrich..

Grazie a te per il post e per la discussione (ho letto anche gli altri commenti) che è stato in grado di generare 😉

Ultimately, there is no such thing as right or wrong. These are relative terms to describe our feeling about an idea. Example: Abortion. Is it right? Is it wrong? It just depends on how you feel about it.

Morality is nothing more than rules that a society makes in order to able to exist as a group. These relative terms have nothing to do with right and wrong, but with the approval or disapproval of the masses.

Thank you for your post, wonderful subject.

Hey @stonedave76 Immanuel Kant would disagree with you. The 'categorical imperative' acts on all people at all times. Something is innate within us, maybe again just for survival, which is whispering what is good, to treat others as ends themselves and not as means to an end, and so on..

Every one is entitled to their own opinion. Where I do agree with some of Immanuel's ideas, I see that we are born animals, and given the chance to grow up without the morality our parents taught us, we would act as animals. We are programed from birth the rules of society. Without this teaching, we would consider an act such as murder neither right or wrong.

Consider: is it wrong for a tiger to steal food. nope
Is it wrong for a tiger to kill his mate. nope
Is it wrong for the tiger to kill his young. nope

We are animals, we just live in a society that has to have rules to keep it organized. This can be proven by the fact that in the wild west, people stood out in the road and killed each other with guns, and at that time, in that society, there was nothing wrong with that. People killed other people and they thought nothing of it. Now if you do it, its murder, and people believe it is wrong. The only thing that has changed are the rules society has put on you. We don't kill because we know its wrong, it is because we are told that it is wrong.

Great points @stonedave! I agree with you 100%. What is 'right' or 'wrong' is based on your own personal perspective of the term.

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Wow, really awesome and thought provoking article. I have an interest in ethics, and i am of the opinion that morality is a natural endowment in man, and not just learnt.

I made a post recently on it, you might want to check it out here .

what may be wrong to one maybe right to another. I guess it is the social viewpoint which decides what is wrong or right. Great post

Hello @sayee, but have you heard of the prisoner's dilemma? It's generally better, all in all, to behave morally... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

Nice thought to start a day.

@bagindooo have a nice day! Wherever you are in the world..

Always something to learn! Garcias

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