RE: The evolution of Adam - Was there death before Adam
Death was brought into the world, not only physical death in which you soul departs from the body and it's life force is gone so it decays. You could say it is energy being transfered from one place or another if you will. There is spiritual death which isn't a ceasing of existence but also a transfer of the state of the soul to either heaven in God's presence or hell away from God's presence. Since we are made in God's image and have consciousness as in God's image and likeness our soul is eternal. "The wages of sin is death(eternal separation from God) the gift of God is Eternal life through Christ Jesus Our Lord." Romans 6:23. ''Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned'' Romans 5:12. There is also different flesh, all flesh is not the same flesh and the state of animals and plant life are different than that of the Human soul. You could speculate but the Scriptures are sufficient for all godliness and doctrine needed to bring the individual to saving faith through the One and only sufficient sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Death Burial Resurrection Repentance and Faith(believe).
The phrase "eternal separation from God" is not a scriptural concept.
Rather, it is a Greek heresy that has been introduced in complete opposition to what all of scripture has to say.
Death is death. God says "The soul that sins will die." God is a consuming fire.
Man is mortal, he is not an eternal being as the Greeks supposed. Unless and until man comes to believe in Jesus and is granted eternal life, he is doomed to die.
According to scripture, eternal life is clearly and only a gift from God through Jesus. It is not part of the inherent nature of man.
Apart from Jesus, man is doomed to die... not to live forever apart from God.
I have heard of this but I struggle with the fact that when death comes and there is judgement. The soul that sins can do all harm that he pleases here then is just be no more and not face the consequence for their actions. I think of the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man and how there was agony in the fire or how there is weeping and nashing of teeth, where the fire is not quenched and worm does not die. Or being cast in the lake of fire.
Hello, friend @truconspiracy,
I thank you for your thoughtful response.
Please note that I did not say they would not have to face the consequences of their actions.
Every person who sins will face the fiery judgement of Jesus who is God. This is clearly presented here:
For a more thorough explanation of this, you may find this article helpful:
Regarding the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, I hope to write more on this in the future. Meanwhile, I would be happy to answer any other questions you may have.
Man soul is by nature ethernal -why do you deny it ?
I deny it simply because scripture teaches that it is mortal. If you click on the links above, you can read the scriptures directly.
What evidence do you have that man's soul is naturally eternal?
All the atoms are in the nature ethernal , it is proven by science , why should the soul not follow the natural laws ?!
And what evidence do you have it isn't ethernal ?
If science proves anything, it is that atoms are not eternal. All atoms decay. All share a characteristic called "entropy." "Science" teaches that the universe as a whole is heading for heat death, running down, wearing out.
And so, if man's soul is a part of that nature, it too will wear out.
The evidence I have, repeating myself once again, is that God has warned man in the bible that he will die. Have you read the linked scriptures?
This was in fact God's first warning to man:
Atoms are ethernal, energy as well - principles of thermodynamics - energy is always recycled.
You say all atoms decay - no ... The atoms that decay are the radioactive ones not all as you pretend.
Bible is evidence ? No, bible is information - and btw - the words you quoted says adam will die but not the soul is mentioned - the level is physical , see the context.
Current understanding of science is that free energy in a thermodynamic system is subject to irreversible loss - see this Wikipedia article and its subordinate links, particularly Thermodynamic free energy.
Apart from some external system input, all atoms as a part of their thermodynamic systems decay to a state of "heat death."
If you read the information about Adam in the immediate context of Genesis, you will find that he is a "soul."
English "soul" == Hebrew נֶפֶשׁ (nephesh)
I'll repeat my question: What evidence do you have that the soul is eternal? When the human body dies, it stops breathing, it stops thinking. The atoms that comprise the brain stop transmitting electrical impulses. It all stops and rots...
Please follow and read the links I've provided.
Do you have any references? I understand that you are expressing your opinion, and that's fine, but you've so far provided no support whatsoever for your statements.
:-) basically are you telling me that the human soul can escape the gravity of earth because of entropy ?!
You mean like with Gnosticism?
As I understand Gnosticism, they did believe in a multi-part being that included a "soul." I'm not sure if they believed that the soul survived death.
The Greeks, Socrates and Plato, taught the existence of an eternal soul in man. This was an idea that they got from the Egyptians - you can read about that in this article.
The idea of an innately eternal soul is not taught in the bible.
Interesting perspective. What do you mean by innately?
I mean that it is not part of the fundamental design of a human being. Being eternal is not a basic property of man. In fact, the opposite is true. We are as ephemeral as grass:
However, the good news is this: Jesus/God offers us permanence if we believe in him:
But how would you know. What if we are simply experiencing a reflection of another realm, like in the matrix? 🙂
There is really only one way to "know" anything, and that is by acting on a belief. It is called faith. You choose someone who seems trustworthy, and then you act on what they have told you, and see what the outcome is.
God says "Oh, taste and see that the Lord is good!
Blessed is the man who takes refuge in him!"
- Psalm 34:8
I have chosen to trust in the words of Jesus.
Interesting perspective so you never really know anything? 🤠
Nice to see it from a different angle
Interesting perspective. But how does the energy transfer take place? 😄
That my friend is a mystery. I would suppose that it would be God calling soul from the body Maybe one day quantum physics, mechanics may shed some light on the transfer of the soul energy to a different state.
But why would anyone wanna do something like that? 😀
Truth is meant to be discovered eventually.
OK but how?
The illumination of the Holy Spirit leads people to the Truth(Christ) Faith is a necessary aspect.
That is true. Thanks for connecting. I hope you have a WONDERFUL day!! 😀
You as well!