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RE: Jesus is the God of the Old Testament
John 17:1
Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you. For you have given him authority over everyone. He gives eternal life to each one you have given him. And this is the way to have eternal life—to know YOU, the ONLY true God.
Jesus was not talking to a mirror here.
True. They are three persons and can interact.
True. They are one God.
You need to look at ALL verses of Scripture and find the one understanding that matches them ALL.
I have shown you many more verses that require the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to be One.
The standard concept of Trinity is based on harmonizing ALL verses. It is the only understanding that fits ALL the data.
So the doctrine of the Trinity can easily explain John 17:1 but your non-trinity understanding cannot explain, for example, Isaiah 9:6.
Isaiah 9:6 said, “And HIS NAME will be called.. The verse did not said, “And HE IS the ...
I have lots of classmates named Jesus, it does not mean they are the Jesus.
Jewish Publication Society of America, verse:
“For a child is born unto us. A son is given unto us; And the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibborabi-ad-sar-shalom.”
The Hebrew name Pele- joez-el-gibbor-abi-ad-sar-shalom is translated as, “Wonderful in counsel is God the Mighty, the everlasting Father, the Ruler of Peace.” The name mentioned in Isaiah 9:6 is not a series of names but one long name.
Exactly. One long name for the child born to be the messiah, the eternal King, that makes it clear that He is One with God the Father.
Stan when u have time watch this,
"Elijah" which means "God the Lord", it doesn’t mean that Elijah is himself the God.
One's state of being is not necessarily determined by the meaning attached to his name.
You see Muslims have no problem with what u just quoted. The problem comes from understanding the context. Stan is claiming Jesus to be God, the "Alfa & Omega" but even in ur quote this is not the case, we also need to understand what ur saying in it's context, e.g, all the messenger on they given times, they was the only way to eternal life, who so ever follow them as followed the father, and know the father as the only true God and this also apply to Jesus, who ever followed him at his time as followed the way to the fathers and so on. But this does not make him to be "God or the Son of God "
Quran 4:171
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
But Jesus' own words to Nicodemus in John 3:16-18 do:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
You guys need to thoroughly study the Scriptures. I have provided you with scores of verses proving who Jesus is. You keep coming back to every new thread as if its a New Day and all previous discussions never happened. If you won't study and learn, you will be stuck where you are forever.
With all due respect, u can't qoute "John" 3:16-18" as evidence and claim it's Jesus on words that's weak evidence. If u produce that in court it will get througn out.
Then don't quote the Koran. It is BY FAR the weakest document on discussion here.
Yes, I quoted that Jesus is different from One True God.
May bad, so what's ur stance on Jesus?
Jesus is the one sent by the One True God and the Mediator between God and Man.