Steemit ain't Facebook

in #rant7 years ago

I was gonna write a nice friendly Nagan VII post. I was gonna write a milestone of how I got 100 witness votes in 2 days. I was gonna drop some of my snark and post all friendly like, but apparently this is the week a lot of weird shit has to go down.

I get accused of running a scam out of Minnowsupport by someone that put in more than one post for STEEMFEST MINNOW (he retracted and put out an apology). A witness voter of mine was frustrated with me for allowing dolphins to upvote themselves using the @minnowsupport community account. And the final straw was getting called a libtard statist.

Couple things

The community account , @minnowsupport, is a cyborg. There is a "bot" in Discord that has the posting key to @minnowsupport and can accept user commands to upvote posts. People walk in there, register their account with the bot, and then use it to upvote their posts. There is a trail in discord, and it leaves a comment on the post leaving a trail on the block. It's a public bot. There is a bot like aspect of a program used to vote, but every vote was cast by a human. Everyone in this whole community is welcome to use it as long as they pay the $0.001 SBD/steem that we need as part of a transfer to register you. The bot currently is used 1600 times a day by people that come into our discord, manually hit the command to vote, and either hang out and chill or leave for 12 hours until the timer resets.

I posted community guidelines, I posted a video from steemcleaners, and am going to put these things on the website coming out soon. Those aren't community guidelines everyone in Steemit must follow because I run bartertown (Mad Max reference). Instead those are the community standards if you want to use the public bot we manage. We follow Steemit community standards and add "No voting porn" to the list. That's it. We have some young people in there and don't want a trail of porn upvotes. I think it's pretty fuckin' low bar stuff.

If you have a beef with how some dickwad misused a free public community bot I suggest taking it up with them. Despite a couple posts to the contrary I'm not a statist dickwad and I'm not going to write in rules to limit how people use the bot. If you don't like what they did then flag them. If you're flagging because you don't like their opinion you might just stick your dick in a hornets nest of 3000+ people. If you're flagging because they are just upvoting comment spam on their own shitpost you'll likly get 3000 people that think you're a champ for stopping abuse on the bot. But don't look to me as a central authority to come in heavy handed. That's not in the spirit of Steemit or in the spirit of a group called Peace, Abundance, and LIBERTY.

Also, about the dolphins that occasionally use it... it's ok. It's all ok. First off the bot on a single vote is adding like 0.4sbd to a post. Yes it has 110k delegated SP and about 4k of it's own, but it's used SIXTEEN HUNDRED TIMES A DAY. So, the votes are small. If there is abuse it's pretty minor and usually done by some minnow that's hasn't gotten over their dipshittery from other social sites. More importantly though minnows need connections to other people if they're ever going to get out of minnowhood. Would I prefer that whales don't come in and upvote themselves with the bot? Yes! Am I going to enforce that? NO! Because I want dolphins and whales to hang out with the minnows in the pond and if a 0.4SBD vote twice a day is enough to do that then by god vote away!

This ain't yo mama's facebook

See, this Steemit is "run" by a bunch of libertarian anarchist crazy people that think we should all be able to do as we want as long as we cause no harm. It's do no harm, but take no shit. These morons come over from Facebook and think that flag wars and trolling will get them places here. It doesn't take long to earn a negative rep and lose all your post rewards. You get that Magneto moment of "What have I done!?!" Ultimately some of that is good for this community. It's like our immunity to bullshit is working (lookin at you Trainer), and also some of that is good because it means that people are learning about this place.

We have an obligation to teach our ways

Hopefully people show a little restraint and patience though for these idiots that come over here. yes, they are annoying as fuck, but we have a world to change. I'm not sure we want to spend all of our voting power nuking minnow idiots into the ground. That probably won't help our brand nor bring many new users to our platform to drive up the demand for steem and thus send us to the moon. So, I urge everyone to teach peace, teach how this place is different, and give these people a least a shot or two to figure it out. We need those idiots to come here, learn, and become advocates for this place and the ways of Steemit. We don't need them to come here, get nuked, and spread shit about us.

So, yeah, I could run around removing every single upvote and policing every single shitpost that catches 0.4 sbd from us, but I'm not going to kneejerk react and put rules all over this project or become the police I can't stand. 5 votes out of 1600 go bad. If we have constant abuse from an individual I'm going to root it out. Otherwise, it's on this whole community to police shit. Just make sure you're in the right before you start flagging because it usually leads to unintended consequences.

I'm a scammer

Let's talk about this too. If Minnow Support is a get rich quick scheme it's the worst fucking one I could envision. I spend about 4-5 hours a day trying to work on various aspects of this project. I get mods. I recruit people. I write witness posts. I run bots. I manage some finances, I answer questions from 3000 minnows, and I answer questions in steemit chat and Discord all day. I talk to other witnesses to try to figure out what we need to do about inflation, block size, error messages, recruiting, hardforks and other shit. We're building bots, websites, and a radio station. Currently after 2 months of this I now witness 28 blocks. That's about 26 steem and about $26. I'm making less than mimimum wage for this. Also, that doesn't include the expenses taht I pay out of my pocket typically and give to @minnowsupport. I'm net negative on the whole project and you can check my transfers to see that money is going from @aggroed to @minnowsupport and I don't think there's a single case of it going the other way.

I generally don't even use the bot I helped create, but occasionally I do upvote myself 100% when it's community related and I'm trying to get the post a good start. I don't know how many times i've done this. Maybe 3-4 in 1 month.

What about "this whole thing is a giant project just to get votes?" Well, it's not entirely false. It's my witness project. It's what I'm doing to deserve to be a witness. But the voting is a consequence of fighting for a bigger deal. If you've read any of my previous shit you'd know that I'm a pretty dedicated truther that thinks steemit is about the best antidote out there to fiat money created by debt by shiteating banksters that rule the world. I'm doing this because I'm a passionate advocate for peace, abundance, and liberty and want the world to change. I think Steemit can play a great role in that mission so I promote this place and use my time to growth hack it and support the minnows that do come over. Witness votes are a cool side effect of the work I do here. But it's not worth the minimum wage I get from witnessing. Now, if I became a witness and then started doing nothing and just collected some steem power everyday for jack shit... well that's a different issue.

So, if Minnowsupport is a scam. It's gotta be the shittiest time eating, low wage, constantly bombarded with questions, kinda shitscam ever created. Add in the fact that it's run by 6 witnesses and has had visits from multiple top witnesses checking it out, we seem to be a spawning ground for another 6+ witnesses and hopefully you get the idea that we are a positive force for good for the platform rather than a bunch of scammers draining the reward pool 0.4SBD at a time by giving it away to anyone in the public.

the real benefit of Minnow Support

The irony of all of it is that the real benefit comes from the community aspect. It wasn't the .4 SBD bot that got our people into trending or several hundred votes. It was the fact that people hang out all the time, make friends, and use those connections to get their material out into the world. People come for the bots, but quickly learn the community aspect of what we've built together is infinitely more important. That's why we're sitting on 200 delegations for around 140k SP total from some highly ethical mothafuckahs. It's cause we do good.

Conclusion

I'm not a statist. I'm not running a scam. Minnow Support isn't a scam. I'm not going to add more rules to how a completely public account operates. If you have beef feel free to add it in a comment below, change your witness votes, or start flagging muh posts. And even when you do... I'm still just gonna keep doin' what I'm doin' because it's helping a lot of people. I'm operating my mission statement of Peace, Abundance, and Liberty as best as I can.

Anybody else got a beef with me this week?

I try to pack all my negative energy into one shitty week. So, if you have any other accusations you'd like to lob at Minnow Support or me personally I'd love for you to take this time right meow and do it publicly here in these comments. If you would like to share some positive non-scammy experieces as a counter to fears and misunderstandings that'd be swell to.

Comment responses delayed as I have to start work.

Rant Jamima out.

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@aggroed I think @minnowsupport is an excellent project. When I first heard about it a few days ago I went down the rabbit hole to get a good handle on what it offers.

After testing it with 100 sp delegation and being satisfied that it wasn't a scam I went in hard and delegated 6000 sp. I think its a great opportunity for people to get access to some sp without investing money they dont have.

I applaud you and the rest of your team on this great initiative.

Thanks!

Holy Fuckballz! That's awesome and extremely generous!!! I know a ton of minnows who are gonna be happy about that!

I'm not seeing a delegation. Can you check this? https://mspdelegator.herokuapp.com/delegators Maybe I missed it.

I respect this 💪🏼🙌🏼💯

Maybe I missed the delegation. Can you check this please? https://mspdelegator.herokuapp.com/delegators

Im really sorry. I think I got your project confused with the @minnowbooster project. Now Im totally confused. Ill have to look into your project some more.
Again my apologies.

Whoever is saying it's a scam needs a big glass of shut the fuck up. I love the Minnow Support Project. It is has been so beneficial to me personally and I plug it to anyone who will listen, trying to get them to join. At the very least, it's just so fun in Discord.

Thank you @aggroed for slaving away for us. I've thrown you an upgoat. I hope it helps you out.

Wow. Sounds like you've had one hell of a week. Steemit definitely isn't like Facebook or YouTube where you can just flame someone for the hell of it and walk away. Among others things I've noticed is here you have to be concerned about REPUTATION if you want your account to grow. To that end it pays to write intelligent articles and comments...and yes even intelligent rants such as yours. If all you do is post spam, trash, and throw dirt at good people like a monkey flinging feces, that ain't going to cut it here. It may make you a YouTube hero, but not a Steemit hero.

Great rant along with some good thoughts. Hope your week gets better!

Wait, you are running a get poorer slowly scam? You bastard!

with shit tons of work!

I can only speak for myself. Your support is much appreciated.
This really a huge time invest from you to maintain MSP. You give us minnows hope and you make the investment to get future dolphins and whales. Thank you. 👍

Minnowsupport is vital to encouraging new content creators to not give up and leave - which is the basis of steemit and $steem success.
I can vouche i was frustrated in my first few weeks until i was turned on to minnowsupport discord and found some support to continue.
The goal should be to use minnowsupport - until you don't need it anymore - like taking off the training wheels and riding on your own. It should be a goal to achieve through good content and interactions.
Thank you @aggroed for your work in msp & witness!

Hola, I use any and all bot to help me, and they all fail, many of the times. Which is a bummer when you are like me and do not have enough money for randowhale, so you need penny bots. I try to use them for every post. I have been burned twice now in 24 hrs with @discordia and @lovejuice. He is one of the latest:17 hours ago Transfer 0.001 SBD to discordia https://steemit.com/nature/@organiccacao/it-s-a-dog-s-life. I never got the upvote. Also this morning with :1 hour ago Transfer 0.005 SBD to lovejuice https://steemit.com/life/@organiccacao/july-17-2017-moon-ingress-taurus
I know that when you read this you will help me to rectify this. That is why I am voting for you. I just want to get ahead via quality post writing and I know that is what you value in a minnow.
Thank you for all you do. You are amazing! Sending you so much love and pura vida. And virtual chocolate bar to you. (If you reach in real life, well, claim it!)

minimum vote on lovejuice is 0.01 SBD. That's why it's missing. I've upvoted this comment such that you got 9x more than your money back.

Thank you @aggroed I knew that you could make it better. Happy happy!

Minnow support project is a good idea it helps the community to grow. And people can have lot of fun and share ideas.

you are doing great sir. founding a comunity managing it is not a small task. I am a noob on internet kind of things but i can feel that being a witness and founding a comunity needs more than just hardworks it need hearth and money into it.
thank you so much for what you have done to the comunity and your minnowsupport.

This is the best article I have read this week. I'm a noob and still trying to figure out how to use minnow support. Thank you for all of your hard work putting it together and thank you to all of the others who helped and continue to help. We minnows do need the added support. It is a lot of hard work and most of us appreciate it. Now i just got to figure out how to use it. Gonna figure it out today watch and see!

If you do please clue me in @binkley Someone used the term Rabbithole. I finally had other stuff to do. Why do I have to download another app? Why do all the help people want us to download more stuff? And go from place to place. Why can't it be straightforward?

I figured out two parts of the puzzle. One I set up an account with Streemian. Not sure why but I did. Second the MinnowSupport Page said set up a www.SteemVoter.com account. So I Did that. The third parts was above my pay grade but I kept giving it a try with no success yet. Something about $register but the website to discord never would load. I feel you about the frustration of jumping around alot Just to buy steem took me 7 days to figure out. I think this is what the BETA is all about. Getting the bugs worked out. Eventually alot of stuff that people really like will probably be integrated. At least I hope that is the game plan. I'm not sure what the base code is built like and what the scale-ability is really. Most social media has tools that over time get adopted in or majorly stream lined. I'll keep you posted and maybe try to put all of the step by step details from all areas into one gigantic post. Hang in there and #steem on!

Glad to see you doing those things. To be clear to anyone that reads this, those are voluntary actions by people trying to gain stake in the group and have access to cool shit beyond the publicly accessible bots everyone int he community is free to use. If you need help binkley I'm around in Discord more often than my wife would like.

I finally got in. It is so worth it! Thanks guys

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