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RE: Mental Illness & Shamanic Experiences (podcast/video)
I may mean there is no normal, everyone seems crazy, everything is deluded, and it all makes good fig newtons that should just be eaten by hungry people so they aren't so hungry anymore.
Maybe hunger is our most true form of suffering and the rest is a delusion in response to what we think in response to what another thinks. hence not being our thoughts. As none of our thoughts are truly our own as we think outside and inside ourselves but not of ourselves. Hence the inner and outer delusion!