You are viewing a single comment's thread from:

RE: "Upvote my post and I'll upvote yours"

in #ponzi8 years ago

This is akin to vote selling, which I've discussed in my FAQ:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@intelliguy/steemit-faq-frequently-asked-questions-common-myths-and-misconceptions

If you're not careful, an automated whale bot is going to seek out your voting power, and the people you vote for and reverse your votes with downvotes. You really don't want that.

Sort:  

Thanks for that @intelliguy, we needed that!

Thanks for chiming in intelliguy. I've just read your FAQ. You say this won't work, and the reason you present is "don't do it otherwise a whale will downvote you". But what happens until then? Whatever is payed out is payed out, right?
Shouldn't this be prevented at a more fundamental level?

Also, how do you downvote someone? I don't see any icon. Is this exposed on the blockchain but not on steemit.com?

What about the fact that you're going to lose respect and burn the value of your name? All of your vested balance you've earned will have to start all over again with a new account. Make new friends, get new followers to find you.

It isn't a whale downvoting you, it's a BOT, owned by a whale, who will downvote you. Bots are relentless. They don't sleep, they work 24x7 and they can do a lot of damage. These "good bots" that stop system abuse exist already. You just haven't caught the attention of robocop yet.

You don't have to convince me of how negative this is intelliguy. My concern here is that we're relying an bots coordinated by a few people on what is supposed to be a decentralized system. You can't track down every post when there's billions of people on steem. If the system is exploitable, people WILL exploit it.

There's something about your reply that I didn't understand, though: " All of your vested balance you've earned will have to start all over again with a new account". How can a downvote ever remove currency you already have? Are you sure about this?

You make an account called john. He posts, does well for a few months, and earns himself $1,200 steem power. That helps him get around. Everytime he makes a new post, he upvotes himself, and instead of it going $0.01 he's now showing $0.10 now. People have bookmarked his page and he's popular.

john one day wakes up and starts thinking "hey! I could use my steempower of $1,200 in a collusion group vote". Things go well for the next month, and he gets $1,400 of steem power. A few whale bots start to realize john isn't writing stories anymore, he's part of a newly identified vote selling business.

Everytime the john account votes now. A whale bot comes behind him and downvotes whatever he voted on. Effectively ruining the power of john's vote. The vote group kicks out john seeing this. john's account is now tainted. That $1,400 he earned in steempower is now worthless for upvoting purposes. He decides to power down the $1,400, and start a new account on a new name that the bot no longer knows about. He starts off with $10 steem power and has to start all over again.

Yes, he doesn't lose his $1,400. But what he does lose, is the effectiveness of the steem power itself, if he abuses it and a whalebot contradicts his votes.

Coin Marketplace

STEEM 0.26
TRX 0.20
JST 0.038
BTC 96485.07
ETH 3625.95
USDT 1.00
SBD 3.91