unconditional basic income

in #politics8 years ago


The idea shakes the core of social life, the principle of wage labor and meritocracy.
It might work, but it doesn't have to.
If it would be reality, no one need to worry about its existence.
This is the vision of an unconditional basic income, what man needs to live would be minimally secured.

More and more social scientists and politicians are pro "unconditional basic income".
Former Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis for example and Robert Reich, US labor minister under former President Bill Clinton. Countries such as Finland and the Netherlands want to test in limited experiments with the idea in the future.

In Switzerland, the people vote on this Sunday on a practical introduction.
By the will of the initiative by Daniel Häni a new Article 110a to be inserted in the Swiss constitution:
"The Confederation shall ensure the introduction of an unconditional basic income"
But Parliament, business and trade unions are against it.

The concept of the Swiss initiative looks like this:
All citizens would receive monthly CHF 2,500 (2250 euros ), a child 625 francs ( 562 euros ).
If an employee previously earned 6000 francs gross per month he will have that amount in the future available.
He just get the first CHF 2,500 from the state and the remaining 3,500 francs from the employer.
The payable payroll would shrink for the company though.
Other state payments such as unemployment benefits would superfluous.

The sum of CHF 2,500 would be just above the poverty line - but it would be a guaranteed income.
People are no longer dependent on their job and they could better combine family and career, volunteers and non-profit or supervise other people and cultivate.

It is not a new idea
The British author Thomas More introduced the idea of ​​a basic income in his novel "Utopia" back in the 16th century. And at the end of the 18th century the Englishman Thomas Spence formulated an income for all as well.

What makes the idea so popular today?
Income disparities have increased dramatically in recent decades and so the gap between rich and poor.
Scientists suspect that the digitization destroyed millions of jobs as algorithms and machines replace human labor.
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development in Germany believes twelve percent of all jobs are endangered by robots.

What is the responsibility of the individual?
What has the community to make?
An unconditional basic income would the welfare state, as it exists today revolutionize.
Until now the principle in Germany means that everyone is responsible for himself and his life, the state does help only in emergency situations.
An unconditional basic income would be a sort of new social contract - of all generations and tiers.
There would be no more benefits which are funded from taxes and duties.
Therefore, the state expects nothing - but could degrade much bureaucracy.
The money would be paid regardless of whether someone is begging on the street or much deserved.

Critics call the idea of ​​the basic income as quixotic and prosperity endangering.
It would be a free pass for the lazy and taxes would have to rise astronomically.
The political scientist Christoph Butterwegge thinks behind the principle would be a strange understanding of justice:
"So far, in all welfare states apply the principle of distributive justice, which is to get a lot who has little and little who has much." he says.
"A multi-millionaire does not need a basic income and if it withholds or taxed away to him it is not unconditional."

But the biggest argument against is funding. For a sum of 1000 euros for all citizens it would cost the state annually according Butterwegge around one trillion euros.
That was more than three times as much as the federal budget includes. The proposal to increase excise duties, Butterwegge holds not useful:
"This would mainly affect the poor, because they invest their income in everyday consumption."

Don't people do like to work anyway - or are they basically lazy?
The debate about the unconditional basic income does polarize.
The arguments already base solely on two different human images.
Some think:
"Without having to, the person does not do anything - you must therefore be careful!
The others say that: "Man is not only working the due money, but to get fulfillment and recognition. Trust him!

Would the economy collapse if people only do what they want or we all benefit?

This Sunday nobody expects a majority for the basic income, not even the organizers of the swiss voting himself.
According to polls, 71 percent of Swiss are against it.

In a poll back in 2015 people said that with the basic income they would:

  • 2% stop working
  • 54% start further educating at school or university
  • 53% take more time for family
  • 22% start their own business
  • 35% consume more sustainable
  • 59% of who are under the age of 35 believe that the basic income will come

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Newton's first law: Inertia.

I have been on employment insurance in Canada in my early 20's. It's sweet. I was making $350 a week sitting on my ass...why would I go out there and work 40h at Starbucks for about the same amount of money? What do you do when you get a marginal increase in standard of living by spending all day working? Believe me, watching Netflix is way easier. Whatever you reward will increase, it the case of minimal income you reward idleness and tax anyone who is productive.

Also, the difference between what "people say they would do" and "what they would actually do" are radically different stories. It's like asking people what they would do with a million dollar versus what they actually do once they have it.

I was too. I'm not any more, because having some more than the bare minimum is nicer. Same goes for everyone else, and it doesn't matter if you get that bare minimum with or without constant nagging by authorities.

Unconditional basic income means that everyone gets the same base, everything you want above that requires you to work. The actual problem that you get the same for doing nothing as for working at Starbucks would effectively be solved, the workers would always have some more than those who stay at home.

There you go! That is why I have for the last 30 years refused to take any job where I had to pay into unemployment insurance. The system is corrupt and skews the economic playing field by subsidizing unprofitable industries at the expense of profitable ones.

Garbage in, garbage out. Socialism in, failure out.

Here is a headline: This AI expert says that a robot economy will force us to give people unconditional free money. The article is in Business Insider.

In the future, giving people unconditional free money might be the fairest way to deal with a robot-powered economy.
At least, that's what data scientist and artificial intelligence expert Jeremy Howard believes.

According to Howard, the pool of displaced workers will just keep growing exponentially, and the solution is to level the playing field.

There are lots of articles like this one these days. (Are they being written by commie algorithms?)

Free Money from the Robots!
Gary North - June 04, 2016
Full article here: http://www.garynorth.com/public/15285.cfm

What's your realistic alternative? Letting the unneeded starve? The only way to reply here is quoting Rosa Luxemburg: Socialism or barbary.

All this fighting between liberals and socialists seems like the old left-right-scheme rebrewn to me.
You basically want the same. A free and well life for as many as possible. To me, the disagreements seem to only be about how to achieve that goal.
The "inventor" of anarcho-capitalism, Rothbard, saw that the current distribution is based on thievery, and agreed that there's no way for anarcho-capitalism to work when that's not changed. So it's undisputed that we are in sincere need of redistribution.

As a practical matter, in terms of the ownership of land, anarcho-capitalists recognize that there are few (if any) parcels of land left on Earth whose ownership was not at some point in time obtained in violation of the homestead principle, through seizure by the state or put in private hands with the assistance of the state. [...]
Rothbard says in "Justice and Property Right" that "any identifiable owner (the original victim of theft or his heir) must be accorded his property." In the case of slavery, Rothbard says that in many cases "the old plantations and the heirs and descendants of the former slaves can be identified, and the reparations can become highly specific indeed."

His idea is to give basically all of the United States to the heirs of former slaves. That's some SERIOUS redistribution, and will probably cause a lot more trouble than a state led basic income.

And this kind of says what socialism means for many - that common property and efforts should be treated as such, and not for private profits:

Consider a village near a lake. It is common for the villagers to walk down to the lake to go fishing. In the early days of the community it's hard to get to the lake because of all the bushes and fallen branches in the way. But over time the way is cleared and a path forms – not through any coordinated efforts, but simply as a result of all the individuals walking by that way day after day. The cleared path is the product of labor – not any individual's labor, but all of them together. If one villager decided to take advantage of the now-created path by setting up a gate and charging tolls, he would be violating the collective property right that the villagers together have earned.

(Quotes taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Property )

So when we remove the unfair distribution, what differences are left?
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" may sound like someone wants to take something from you, but isn't it really how we all act with our family and friends? And wouldn't solving the main problem (again, it's all about the current distribution, which is a result of theft) make most current "socialist agendas" unnecessary?

One more thing that troubles me: why do liberals care about money so much? You don't believe in the validity of that stuff in the first place (and i completely agree with you). Who's stealing from whom effectively doesn't matter any more in this screwed up game.

Aaaaaaaand :D
Did you see the numbers what people would do with it?

22% of the population suddenly thinks about becoming an entrepreneur, when the burden of their current shit-job is taken away from them!
More than half can imagine to get education, which in the end also enables them to build their own life.

Ok, now I'm good :P

22% of the population thinks of becoming an entrepreneur when they can avoid making sacrifices to accumulate capital and shift the burden of any failure onto others? That's a good thing?

The burden of big failures is already on all of us. Banks, car industry, you name it. Not only are they subsidized, when they fail they get millions on top. That's where most of my taxes go to right now. I'd prefer them to be spent on enabling the small guy, instead of feeding the rich.

If income requires no input, the value of the reward is meaningless. Maybe not instantly, but eventually the workers will stop working and you're left with an economy cannibalizing itself for 'more free income'.

Nobody who works now would stop when you can't afford anything except a roof above your head and some food in you guts. That argument is disproved already.

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