What would Smart Ballots and Kamikaze voters mean to Democracy?
Democracy is filled with mythology. Larken Rose has recently covered many of these myths. Today I would like to introduce a new concept that may totally change how some people perceive democracy.
Voting Theory
Popular political theology around voting is that each individual has the right to vote for anything, for any reason, and in complete secrecy. Education, knowledge, race, and inelegance are not legitimate prerequisites. It goes so far as to say that through voting the entire constitution and every human right can be violated.
There are many different kinds of voting that attempt to capture public opinion accurately. Systems include plurality, instant runoff, majority, and proportional representation. Each system has its strengths and weaknesses.
Being an Anarchist, I like to work from first principles. If I assume the popular political theology is morally acceptable means of making decisions regarding what people may or may not do, then I would like to add a new voting system and means of fully “expressing ones vote” that I feel would truly capture a legitimate outcome.
In other words, if all people are equal and entitled equal weight to vote for what ever they want, for what ever reason they want to, then it should be possible to express your opinion as the exact opposite of someone else. This is a perfectly valid opinion and deserves as much respect as their opinion. After all, you could just as easily say that they are the one who is adopting an opinion opposite to your own. It is not possible to say who is positive and who is negative, they are merely reflections of equal value with no beginning and no end.
The act of negating someone else’s opinion does not require you to know their opinion, because you are free to change your opinion to counter theirs as fast as they can change their opinion. The outcome will always result in a net vote of 0.
Anarchist Husband and his Political Wife
Imagine an anarchist named John adopted a position against voting and was against voting completely. Unfortunately for Jared, he married a hard core political activist who believes in democracy.
John and his wife have a huge fight about whether they should vote and if so, who they should vote for. John recognizes that the only two candidates with a chance of winning are evil and agree on the important issues. John’s wife has an opinion on which one is “less evil”.
John wants to protest the election by not voting, but his wife believes she must do something to combat the more evil option.
John then comes up with an idea, he decides to cast his vote to be the exact opposite of his wife’s. He goes to his wife and asks who she is voting for, she tells him. He then informs her that he will vote for the other candidate.
A brief fight ensues about how the other guy is more evil, but ultimately she concedes that he has a right to vote how ever he wants.
After she accepts reality, John suggests that they can both stay home this election because their votes will now cancel out. They could drive to the polls, spend their time and gas money in order to cast a neutral vote for two evil candidates, or they could stay home and have a drink without feeling dirty for supporting the lessor of two evils.
Any rational couple would choose to stay home. They have nothing to gain by casting opposing votes and nothing to lose by not casting their vote. All of the usual arguments for voting fall apart:
You have no right to complain if you didn’t try.
Well that isn’t true, you did try, but someone else negated your vote. Both parties can legitimately say they “tried” but their vote wouldn’t have been the tie breaker.
Higher turnout makes democracy more representative .
Well you both could have turned out, but the amount of raw information you would contribute would be identical to if you both didn’t show up. If every non-voter was modeled as a purely random voter, then the amount your opposing votes do nothing. If you model non-voter’s as voting with the ratio as voters then the only thing your votes would do is reduce the percentage spread between the two candidates by an imperceptible amount.
Even a vote for a third Party can have an impact
Unless there is a 3rd party who you actually can support, all you would be doing is voting for evil. Suppose John’s wife really liked a 3rd party candidate, she is now left with a choice: let John vote for the most evil candidate while she votes for someone who will lose, or not vote at all.
Voting is a Right Generations Struggled to Win
And based upon this right John and his wife have nullified their influence. It is John’s right to oppose his wife’s vote and therefore his wife’s vote is now meaningless. Democracy wins!
Secret Ballots prevent John’s Blackmail
In theory John’s wife could lie to John about who she intends to vote for. This would make it impossible to be 100% sure the he was countering his wife’s vote. She could “trick him” into inadvertently siding with her choice of lessor evil.
This is true, but John could also lie.
Ultimately the joke is on John’s wife because it isn’t who votes that counts, it is who counts the vote. In this case, the secret ballot means that John’s wife cannot prove her vote was accurately counted.
Unfortunately, secret ballots also prevent John from casting his true opinion and thus effectively deny him the right to vote.
Smart Ballots
What if John could express his desire to counter his wife’s vote by casting a ballot that would automatically vote for the candidate opposite of his wife without having to know her vote? In this case there is no need to reveal who you will vote for and there is no ability to cheat.
If you could cast such a ballot then the entire voting system could be revamped. Each person would have the option to either cast a ballot or to negate someone else’s right to cast a ballot. Once you have been negated no one else may negate you.
Those who are politically outspoken would quickly get negated by people who don’t like what they stand for. After all, it is much easier to vote against something you don’t like than to vote for something you do like. This means that anyone that ever expresses any ideas disliked by a passive observer would get nullified.
The final outcome would be an election decided by those who have managed to escape without offending anyone. One thing is for certain, anyone who goes near the polls would be quickly negated by someone else, the mere act of voting would become offensive!
In a Rational World…
People would realize that democracy and voting were adopted as a proxy for war and violence. Rather than having two armies fight to the death, they would simply count their numbers and assume the larger army would win and get their way. This seems logical and avoids a lot of unnecessary bloodshed.
How you count the votes makes a huge difference, especially when there are complex factors and decisions. You cannot assume that everyone voting for a candidate actually supports that candidate, they have merely formed an alliance under the principle of “an enemy of my enemy is my friend”. That principle hardly turns a lessor enemy into your representative.
In reality there are not two armies battling it out, there are thousands of armies each with their own opinion. If you want to properly simulate the war, then each person needs to find one other person to take out in a Kmakazi battle to the death.
When the dust settles from the simulated war you will have a few people left standing. These are the people whom no one else felt was a priority to take out. Each person would rationally take out the “greatest evil” they could find and everyone else is considered better. It would mean that who ever won the war would be “better” than the evil they just eliminated. A true vote against the greatest of all evils.
Obviously, if this process were adopted the entire mirage of democracy would disappear. If the population was odd, then one person would be left standing, if even then no one would win.
Conclusion
If we were to use a legitimate voting system that accurately reflected the moral principle behind each individuals “right to vote” by allowing individuals to fully express their “right to counter someone else’s vote” then we would end up in complete anarchy as no law could pass except by unanimous consent of people no one had reason to oppose.
If man does not have a right to counter balance another man in the political system, then the game is rigged. His right to cast a vote that expresses his wishes has been denied. He has been given a false choice rather than a free choice. After all, if you cannot express a vote that is exactly opposite of someone else, then that means not all opinions are on the table. It means that the people who get to decide the options are the rulers, not the voters.
You can vote for any color car you want so long as it is black.
My brilliant friend used anarchy at the end
Did you not mean chaos since you are an anarchist
This is meant as a correction and not to offend
Contrary to my name I too am an anarchist
You have spun voting in a very deep and meaningful way
This leaves me with not much left to add or much left to say
On this I now must wander off and have some serious think
If I don't then the swirling CHAOS in my head will cause me to drink
I am interested how this will all play out for steemit
I know you are pondering various ways indeed to fix it
It being the voting and the negative perceptions it may cause
Replacing it with something that may enable tensions to thaw
Sometimes my alter-ego above can say some deep things in rhyme. Sometimes that is no easy task. Especially with how quickly I attempt to respond.
What I was getting at was simply that Anarchy is often confused with being the same thing as Chaos. As an Anarchist descending into anarchy is a good thing. :) Descending into Chaos is a completely different story.
Though that is being nit picky and technically even if you leave anarchy your sentence could be true, for what is a "Law" in Anarchy other than Natural Law?
VERY VERY good post. Very deep, incredibly well thought out. I don't know that I've ever seen someone so thoroughly dissect voting. You have given me a lot to think about and I may have to read that a few more times.
Haha wow, you must be one of the first novelty accounts I've seen around here. Awesome poetry!
Thanks. I did it on a whim one day and it just sort of fit.
It kind of flipped a switch and unleashed something.
Whether that is good or not is still up for debate.
I do think there can be too much of a good thing so I try to limit how much I post each day with him.
What is really sad is I am REALLY long winded. There are a few cases where the poetry that just kind of spontaneously came out was a better and more well thought out response than anything I could write as the person I really am. :)
So I think I'll keep him around. There are some truly awesome poets on steemit. They put a lot more work into their work than I do these quick responses.
It is the spontaneous nature I am curious about. It makes me think things I might not if I had time to overthink it.
Yes it is weird too. Yet my introductory post announced I am a weird person. ;)
They probably do and they probably make blogposts about it. But for quickly coming up with it, it was pretty good, and very fitting as a comment!
I can't wait for @drawsyourcontent, @readsyourcomment with a soundcloud player in the comment or something similar. There are many opportunities for some quality content through novelty accounts, can't wait to see more of them! :)
Someone responded to my poem with a poem once and I thought "Wow! this guy is good" and thought I might have to hang up my hat and let them take over. It turns out they'd simply copied some text from a South Park episode and pasted it in response to me. :) If they are going to use South Park to talk to me... I'm all for that!
Do it. Become one of those people. :)
Yeah it is surprisingly quite fun to try to come up with poems fast that are relevant to the conversation. So far my favorite one is one where I managed to hold a conversation across three posts about crypto currency versus the US dollar (fiat) and the corruption and history of the federal reserve. That one I went back and read and thought "where the hell did that come from?" That's pretty fun, and exhilarating when something like that happens.
Haha, south park is awesome. But I feel people could at least use > to or " to show its a quote from somewhere when responding that way.
Maybe even adding a small picture in the comment related to it would also be awesome to see more of in general.
They included a picture from the episode which is the only reason I thought to go do a search.
Oh and thanks... novelty accounts sounds so much better than WEIRDO. :)
I think imo ofc the term anarchy is equated to chaos but couldnt be further from the truth but we all interpret reality in dif ways
Anarchy and chaos were roofied by the state
They got involved some photos, it was too late
Now the hijacked word has been pointed
They want you to believe the state is anointed
The state has fun with hijacking words
Do you expect more from the repulsive turds?
Just as with @larkenrose, my mind is blown by reading stuff like that...I am, firstly, amazed that I have not thought about ti myself and did not question the process myself. If I, an educated, intelligent [heh] man, did not..why would most of the population ever question the status quo.
Thank you for this and awaiting the next episode: a possible solution.
Very interesting. There's a whole branch of economics where they talk about voting theory; I wonder if anybody is studying the concept of smart ballots. Voting theory itself sort of hit an impasse a while ago when Kenneth Arrow proved that there is no fair voting system that satisfies certain obviously-desirable principles. It could be that smart ballots are a way around it...
Anyway, I don't expect you to much like my ideas this time around, but maybe you can come tell me why my anti-anarchy parable is flawed.
I think I get your point, but I'd say that first, not everyone always feels like they are voting for the lesser of two evils. For example, my take on the upcoming election s that Hillary represents the 'establishment' but so did Obama, and I thought he did a fine job, and I think Clinton will do fine as well, and on the other hand I view Donald Trump as an absolutely distructive force who could unintentionally light the system on fire, and because I like the system more than no system, I view this potencial burning down of the system as an unadulterated bad thing.
Secondly, there are three hundred mill on people in this country, if even a violent minority wanted to bring the government down, they could. Our country has seen very low levels of political violence historicly.
This is because most people dig our democrassy most of the time imo. For example, while congresses approval ratings are in the gutter, people approve of their own congressmans performance.
I love how this hits so close to home during this upcoming election.
To me this boils down to Trump, Hillary, and Gary Johnson. I agree with John's wife that even if you dislike both or all three candidates, you should still decide to vote on whichever candidate you find least evil.
I understand that John wishes to cancel his wife's vote, but instead of doing this, I would have hoped he would have searched his heart to find his own least evil candidate instead of just negating his wife's vote.
If this were put on a grander scale, I feel that many people would just not vote at all and I believe this is a big problem with our current system. But at the same time, those who don't vote should not pretend to be superior for saying they didn't choose the candidate in office so they are not responsible. To me, a choice not to vote is in itself a vote (if that makes sense) It is neutral, but would have made another candidates vote +1 and instead did not.
And even if you don't feel any candidates warrant your vote, I feel it is a disservice to American soldiers who gave up their lives for this right.
I do find your smart ballot proposal to be fascinating and will have to weigh my beliefs about it. I'm initially in favor, but will need time to break it don and completely formulate my thoughts.
I hope a new system gets put in place to prevent the debacle there was in Bush vs. Gore in Florida. Does anyone really know if their vote was accurately accounted for? I'm hoping the blockchain technology will be used to cover voting for future elections once it has been completely adopted by the public as the internet is today.
Since the blockchain is immutable you could see and verify exactly how your vote was processed and could integrate smart ballots as proposed.
Thanks @dantheman for a thought-provoking article that while technical, had enough analogies and examples for everyone tp understand most if not all of it.
Colin Cantrell, developer of the Nexus Project wrote a piece on Decentralized Decentralization which talks about decentralized democracies based upon the blockchain.
https://medium.com/@colincantrell/block-chain-decentralize-decentralization-318bbf355fa0#.p69sq82ln
I think you will really like the read. I think you two should connect and kick some ideas around. As a part of the Nexus team I see the solutions you guys are coding and I would like to see Steem and Steemit (OR WHATEVER IT BECOMES) on the decentralized infrastructure in the future.
I agree with your assessment 100%. Here is another thought...
Juries are oligarchies. Imagine if juries were decentralized and democratized using the blockchain. I am sure that I would trust my verdict better with 12,000 jurors than I would with 12.
Would be cool to hear @dantheman and Colin talk about blockchain solutions.
I agree. Why I brought it up. There should be a google hangout between the two... Both are incredible intelligent and i cannot even imagine some of the things that would manifest in their conversation haha
The thing about jurors is ideally you want someone not biased to be on the jury, though they do try to find jurors likely to rule how they want as well. It makes it easy to get out of being a juror if you know what they don't want to hear.
So now let's take the trending page. What if the trending page became a prevailing belief and it was actually wrong. Would the 12000 jurors be unbiased or would the be swayed by the unintentional (or possibly intentional) propaganda that they are exposed to on a regular basis? I am again playing Devil's Advocate
I don't think quantity is always a better solution. Yet I really haven't thought of a better solution yet either. :)
Quality is better then quantity. thats where the math comes in to check the checks and balance the balances.
Right now as it stands, many jurors fear they will have repercussions if they don't side with prosecution. This i believe can be balanced with the right math... The right code. Reputations should be used for such decisions as well. But you bring up a good point, what if 99% of the trending page is wrong and you are right? Where is the VETO button?
Yep the world was not flat because 99% of the people believed it to be. :)
Also, is anyone not biased?
Hence your example of finding jurors likely to respond in agreement to the desired outcome.
We all have individual priorities and things we find important or "worthy".
No there is no non-biased person. The best they usually can do is try to find jurors that don't know much about the topic. Yet that presumes the jurors are honest during the juror choosing phase.
Let me ask you this, you have 3 piles of shit to choose from. I tell you that you can only vote for 1 of 3 to hold but you voting none will still leave you with a pile of shit. Regardless of what ever decision you make you are still left with a big pile of shit. You are given the illusion of choice. That is all.!! Love the posts @dantheman!
You bring it on the point !
I say upvote this article.
upvote...upvote...upvote...make it real.