New Poll: US Military Occupations Supported By Far More Democrats Than Republicans
A new Politico/Morning Consult poll has found that there is much more support for ongoing military occupations among Democrats surveyed than Republicans.
To the question "As you may know, President Trump ordered an immediate withdrawal of more than 2,000 U.S. troops from Syria. Based on what you know, do you support or oppose President Trump’s decision?", 29 percent of Democrats responded either "Somewhat support" or "Strongly support", while 50 percent responded either "Somewhat oppose" or "Strongly oppose". Republicans asked the same question responded with 73 percent either somewhat or strongly supporting and only 17 percent either somewhat or strongly opposing.
Those surveyed were also asked the question "As you may know, President Trump ordered the start of a reduction of U.S. military presence in Afghanistan, with about half of the approximately 14,000 U.S. troops there set to begin returning home in the near future. Based on what you know, do you support or oppose President Trump’s decision?" Forty percent of Democrats responded as either "Somewhat support" or "strongly support", with 41 percent either somewhat or strongly opposing. Seventy-six percent of Republicans, in contrast, responded as either somewhat or strongly supporting Trump's decision, while only 15 percent oppose it to any extent.
These results will be truly shocking and astonishing to anyone who has been in a coma since the Bush administration. For anyone who has been paying attention since then, however, especially for the last two years, this shouldn't come as much of a surprise.
This didn't happen by itself, and it didn't happen by accident. American liberals didn't just spontaneously start thinking endless military occupations of sovereign nations is a great idea yesterday, nor have they always been so unquestioningly supportive of the agendas of the US war machine. No, Democrats support the unconscionable bloodbaths that their government is inflicting around the world because they have been deliberately, methodically paced into that belief structure by an intensive mass media propaganda campaign.
The anti-war Democrat, after Barack Obama was elected on a pro-peace platform in 2008, went into an eight-year hibernation during which they gaslit themselves into ignoring or forgiving their president's expansion of George W Bush's wars, aided by a corporate media which marginalized, justified, and often outright ignored Obama's horrifying military expansionism. Then in 2016 they were forced to gaslight themselves even further to justify their support for a fiendishly hawkish candidate who spearheaded the destruction of Libya, who facilitated the Iraq invasion, who was shockingly hawkish toward Russia, and who cited Henry Kissinger as a personal role model for foreign policy. I recall many online debates with Clinton fans in the lead up to the 2016 election who found themselves arguing that the Iraq invasion wasn't that bad in order to justify their position.
After Clinton managed to botch the most winnable election of all time, mainstream liberal America was plunged into a panic that has been fueled at every turn by the plutocratic mass media, which have seized upon unthinking cultish anti-Trumpism to advance the cause of US military interventionism even further with campaigns like the sanctification of John McCain and the rehabilitation of George W Bush. Trump is constantly attacked as being too soft on Moscow despite having already dangerously escalated a new cold war against Russia which some experts are saying is more dangerous than the one the world miraculously survived. Trump's occasional positive impulses, like the agenda to withdraw US troops from Syria and Afghanistan, are painted as weakness and foolishness by the intelligence veterans who now comprise so much of corporate liberal media punditry. And their audience laps it up because by now mainstream liberals have been trained to have far more interest in opposing Trump than in opposing war.
And how sick is that? Obviously Trump has advanced a lot of toxic agendas which need to be ferociously opposed, but how warped does your mind have to be to make a religion out of that opposition which is so all-consuming that it eclipses even the natural impulse to avoid inflicting death and destruction upon your fellow man? How viciously has the psyche of American liberals been brutalized with mass media psyops to drive them into this psychotic, twisted reality tunnel?
There was one group in the aforementioned survey which was not nearly as affected by the propaganda as armchair liberals. To the statement "The U.S. has been engaged in too many military conflicts in places such as Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan for too long, and should prioritize getting Americans out of harm’s way," military households responded 54 percent that this statement aligns with their view. Turns out when it's your own family's blood and limbs on the line, people are a lot less willing to commit to endless violence. Sixty percent of Republicans agreed with this statement, while only 41 percent of Democrats did.
Could these statistics have something to do with the fact that younger veterans are statistically much more likely to be Republicans than Democrats? Is it possible that a major reason Trump beat Hillary Clinton, and a major reason Republicans are now far less bloodthirsty than Democrats, is because mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers are tired of flag-draped coffins being shipped home containing bodies which were ripped apart for no legitimate reason in senseless military entanglements on the other side of the world? Seems likely. And it also seems likely that the mass media propaganda machine is having a harder time steering people toward war once they've personally tasted its true cost.
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What is very encouraging is that, even with the onslaught of mainstream media warmongering, Registered voters and Independents, which is becoming the biggest voting bloc, by 2 to 1 are both in favor of withdrawing from Afghanistan. Caitlin Johnstone and other courageous journalists and commentators deserve a lot of credit for that.
I've always felt that democrats were a little more war hungry.. The democrats are only "antiwar" when there is a republican president, when democrats are in power it seems that violence increases.
I am no fan of Hillary Clinton, but her being hawkish against a Russia, that is slipping back into a society that has been deaf dumbed and blinded -- a one party system that has a decoration of opposition. A kleptocracy being run by an elite class of KGB officers schooled under the psychopath Yuri Andropov...your reluctance to educate your readership on that fact is curious to say the least. Hillary is a pain in ass, but on this matter, a demon knows one of it's own...
A move away from the usual, are you seeing some light, I would hope you are, you are quite good with a pen. And you are intelligent, but we plant seeds here...ya know.
I like this piece, and I can see you thinking; choosing your words, not so quick to knee jerk. that is good.
That being said -- Trump is being soft and that is a curiosity, as too his election knowledge from Cambridge Analytica, and the traitor Julian Assange released a month before the election about Hillary, was in fact a political assassination orchestrated by Putin. He was afraid of power, and he watched many time the murder of Gaddafi.
But in no way is Trump escalating a the New Cold War.
That would be Putin himself a paranoid Chekist, and conspiracy theorist, who believes the west is against him, but many times a reset has been tried and he will not accept it -- and is rummaging his own economy for himself and his cronies. Just the other day food service to the military was given to one of his pocket crony's. At a inflated price.
Educate yourself on Khodorkovsky, on Nemtsov, or his murder of Journalist in Russia and recently in Africa -- on how Putin fixed the recent gubernatorial election in Primorsky Krai, allowing a gangster to buy in for $430 million...when Putin has in actuality outlawed free gubernatorial elections in his first run as president of The Russian Federation.
Why is he power so long, he has ruled since the start...you believe that is supported by the Russian people. Protest is being outlawed as we speak.
His assassinations both physically and politically of any reputable candidates of value is low. His contract killings use of Islamic strong men and barbarians like Kadyrov is contract killing for gain.
"The U.S. has been engaged in too many military conflicts in places such as Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan for too long, and should prioritize getting Americans out of harm’s way,"...
Syria has been in Russia's pocket since before Assad's father ruled, there has been cruel oppression and a politics of the 'Cult of Personality' running the country for five decades.
Afghanistan is backed by Russia, the Taliban are Islamic Socialists and has been for a long time -- they oppose free elections
As soon as that was contested by democracy is when the real fight began in Afghanistan.
Iraq was led by a despot who was against Russian expansion and turned out to be the worst -- Iraq was an oil war and a removal of a dangerous man on the world stage, but a American mistake, trying to fix a mistake...
Who should confront Putin's world expansionism and empire building?
Putin's base building in middle east; in Syria; in Chechnya; in Crimea; in Georgia; in Yemen; in Africa -- his arming head choppers like MbS, and Kadyrov, his arming American enemies with S-400's; his undermining of the Internet, his corruption of it, and cyber and economic war on the west, and his need for Russia to be an Empire again. His need for himself to hailed as a new Peter the Great.
He longs for the old days of the Soviet Union; his father is Andropov, his god is Stalin, the worse psychopath that walked this earth.
To be great again, it his aim, like during Stalin's time. A country that is large and wealthy with resources, and the peasant is back in his place, and order is brought upon the land -- but he will not share that great resource with the world, with Europe or, will not allow capitalism to explore and use it for worlds needs.
But he will use it as a tool to aid China and the BRICS nations, the enemies of America and its downfall; towards his particular brand of globalism. Which is a 1984 version.
All legitimate oligarchs have been driven out of Russia or killed. The press is owned, the media in general is owned, a new Russian Internet is being built, because he cannot control corporations like Google and Facebook, Twitter or freedom...VPN"s are outlawed, and Internet servers and Internet providers, and social media are required by law to keep all communications of their subscribers for six months. tourism is now a threat, and Americans are being arrested, and used as pawns to release criminals he sends this way.
Vladimir Putin is a zero-sum gain master, he has a judo mind, a paranoid place that he has lived in since he was a boy of eleven. He was spying and turning people in for minor infractions against the Soviet state when he was a child in Petrograd. He wanted to join the local KGB officer back then as a child. They gave his special little chores, and he was a prodigy and the golden child of Yury Andropov.
Are you understanding what I am saying Caitlin? I have been studying Russia and the KGB a long time...are you afraid of them and that is why you do not speak against them. Is that why you lie and do not tell the truth about the Kremlin and the corrupt an criminal Russian federation?
Meduza did an interesting piece on Gorbachev, an elder statesman who is a Pariah in his own country. he took his Noble prize money back then and started the first indepent newspaper. He was a great man, he was a great Russian, he helped end that Soviet sickness that oppressed a world.
Or are you one of them?