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I can stop downvoting anytime, I can take off all flags anytime (if someone help me to find a script which would do it for me). We just need gentleman's agreement but I never got any comment from steembasicincome
What I would suggest is
- stop "sponsoring" new members
- stop buying new delegations
- ask members to undelegate
- in the meantime, wait for SMT and start thinking how to convert sbi shares into SMT token - find new model for sbi community
- stop voting on comments!
I prefer to keep this discussion public, so other groups that working #oldsteem way can learn why they are getting downvoted
Thank you for understanding.
This is absurd. Here are a few attempts we made to talk to you:
https://steempeak.com/contests/@ecoinstant/q188rk (member of my moderator team)
https://steempeak.com/contests/@josephsavage/re-anthonyadavisii-q12rvh (myself on a thread where you responded to him but ignored me)
https://steempeak.com/flagging/@snook/an-open-letter-to-mr-mariuszkarowski (a friend of SBI that tried to reach out via a member of Polish community)
You're basically saying we haven't talked to you at all because you haven't had an official response from @steembasicincome account? Check the comment history- we do very few responses from that account. Most are from @sbi-booster or from me personally.
Your ultimatum is that SBI completely stop all ongoing operations? We have already made many changes to remove features that proved more prone to abuse post-HF21.
#sbi-skip
"mk" used to run a bidbot. he's just actively fucking up everyone
I'm aware of the hypocrisy, but as he certainly is too, I felt no need to call it out.
#sbi-skip
I see, you want to help people, that's why you are receiving money from other people who also want to help. You know what? It doesn't make any sense. If you want to help people, just vote on their posts or send STEEM directly to their accounts, don't ask others for money, don't rape reward pool with delegated steem power
Forget about my suggestions, I see that you are going to to keep your "helping bots" on. Just tell people that with "help" will come little downvote worth $0.025 (usually much less) and they should not worry about it.
I do not mean to jump into your conversation here. I have barely read enough to know exactly what all is going on. And quite frankly you have your stake and I respect the fact you have the absolute freedom to do with it as you wish. I noticed you because you downvoted my son's homeschool tracking post.(I bought SBI for that account.) So anyway, I went looking and now i know why you downvoted it. I would like to thank you for keeping the downvotes relatively small.(actually I'm very thankful for how tiny it is) My reason is twofold.
First, he does all his own homeschool blogs, so the upvotes from SBI are an encouragement for doing a good job,at school and at posting. He is a great kid and is so thankful for whatever he gets.
Secondly, I am in the middle of creating (what I think) is an amazing real world use for our chain. I am currently having the software wrote to allow as many of the 2.3 million homeschoolers worldwide as possible to use as chain as a data storage medium for their homeschooling records. I am using my son's post as a "beta version" to help the developer envision what the posts should look like. If you want, feel free to check out this post I did calling for beta testers, I'll link it at the bottom. It will give a little more insight to the service. The response was low, but I'm a member of a home education discord with several active members and have several real world friends excited about the massive potential this has. (Every homeschooler worries about the potential to loose their kid's records.) We are going to fix that. And hopefully increase Steems value by adding a real world use for our chain and by increasing the daily traffic and usage in a healthy way. I hope you and yours have a wonderful week!!! NEWSTEEM TO THE MOON!!!
https://steemit.com/realworlduse/@johndoer123/a-call-out-to-homeschoolers-unschoolers-i-will-need-beta-testers
Edit: I was raised to use the glob between my ears. So I would never invest into anything more them I could afford to loose. So, be it a scam or not(I truly do not believe it to be.) I will loose nothing, so on that level I'm happy.
This is fantastic idea!
Thanks friend. I believe we all have to do our part if we want our chain(and investments) to work. I was upset with the latest hardfork. But i know there is nothing I can do to change it so i focused on how to continue to grow. And to my amazement, I can easily grow a lot faster now then i could before. All i had to do was change up how i interacted with the block chain. Now i am growing almost twice as fast. So when i stumbled across the idea to help make a real world use for us i jumped on it. I hope you have a good weekend.🤗
@mmmmkkkk311, okay. So, I have an idea. How about you, since you have major voting power, start supporting those of us who are putting in work here at the very bottom.
SBI has been great for me because people have sponsored me and I have sponsored them. I've made better money this way than relying on someone such as yourself to provide me a little help.
Thus far, I don't see where this is a scam. Please, show us all. I've been scammed before but I'm not seeing the same sort of shit happening with SBI as I did with the other scam artist.
Again, I'm homeless. I wish I had 200-500 bucks to invest. Maybe I would feel like you. I don't know. This is something that I will have to think about.
If you hate SBI so much, what other options do you have for people like me? Yes, I get some help from people but it really isn't enough to get my ass off the street.
I didn't know that SBI supported comments. I can see this as an issue if the comment has little work and thought put into it. That is annoy and I'm on your side with this one. However, if work and thought were put into the comment, there shouldn't be anything wrong with it. Comments can be more valuable than the post itself.
This just seems lame. It isn't like they have been hiding who they are behind the project. Their names are there. Look.
Dude, without us little people writing our posts, there would be nothing for you to invest in. Since my two years' time back here on steemit, many of you at the top have ignored the community's cries for help. Why? Is your greed blinding you from what is possible in the future? Most seem to think so.
Your right, your little downvote isn't that much but the message that you are sending people is not correct, from my point of view. You're not looking at the quality of my work, not taking into account the time it takes to produce the work, and do you even care?
How about you become someone like @curie? We need more support groups like this. The fact that they are one of the only ones is really saddening. @curie keeps people writing; they reward them for the work they put in if it meets some, if not all, of their standards. Trust me, it keeps me on my toes and makes me want to write better knowing that I might get support from them. We need more people doing what @curie is doing. Will you support that intiative?
These are some amazing ideas! I have seen some people who even split to their accounts and have one they use for curating and one they use for controlling spam and such. But i think that if i had that much SP i would feel obliged to upvote some smaller authors who are really doing beautiful or in depth posts. We have a lot of great writers here and they do need support too. Have an awesome week and thanks for offering suggestions along with your complaints. So many will only complain, and not think positively.
Sorry, I don't think it works like that. Steem is not a social service, I don't think it can be a UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME for everyone either
@mmmmkkkk311, done. Enjoy the social service. I'm happy to do it.
It's yours to do with as you wish. Maybe someday, it will be worth the price of a pizza. There are good things to come.
Ummm... so you don't support good writing? What sort of things do you support? Isn't this platform about supporting others? You don't see that you are supporting others through your service?
Are you blind?
Hey, no worries! I can support you. It's really easy and I don't mind. How does this make you feel? I mean, have you ever had a homeless person offer you help? Are you going to reject my offer because of the position that I am in? I will buy you SBI shares. I don't mind because I know that I'll get it back and you will get free money on all of your posts for however long it is around - this makes me very happy because you lose nothing and only gain. Because, you know what, it is about being social and supporting the work that people do.
If you have evidence that providing you with free money is hurting you, come forward with it. Otherwise, you're a joke.
Take a look at my voting history, to support more people, I have even stopped voting on own posts , what else you want me to do? Upvoted your previous comment just because you are homeless and I feel bad about this fact but if you are asking me for regular help then I say no, in my opinion it doesn't work like that, I have to like your posts first. SBI doesn't care about content discovery, they voting on you because you bought some shit shares
Shhh... your getting free money, @mmmmkkkk311. What are you talking about?
And you bring up the point I have earlier. You are randomly attacking people based on your opinion while we are doing our thing over here. Hmmm... Sounds like some Nazi tactics if you ask me, but what would I know?
I wasn't asking you for a damn thing until you started this crusade of yours.
Where is your damning evidence? --> So what you are really getting at is that you want to see better curation efforts by the SBI community? This would make sense and I'd support it. No need to be wasting resources on people who post tons of shit, no matter where it be found.
Most of the SBI that I have gained or given away was to creators who worked for it through what they produced. I, personally, have not and definitely will not support (or continue to support) someone who comes on here producing trash time and time again - those ones that look like absolutely no effort was put in, those one need to stop. I'm with you on this point.
Why should I cater myself out to what you like? In my opinion, it doesn't work like that. I'm not some cheap whore you can walk all over. Doesn't work like that homie.
When have you ever spent time on my post looking around to see what you might like? Would you like a list of what I have done? I can make a post with some good stories that I've written on here? Will you not support one? Just one?
You know what, sir, I might not be wealthy at this time, but I'm far richer than you can ever imagine. And, I'm okay with this.
Would you mind at least looking over the discussion we had with our members some time ago?
https://steemit.com/services/@steembasicincome/let-s-talk-about-upvoting-bonuses
We made some changes in response to HF21 already and discussed the pros and cons of some of the other suggestions. It would be a great place to add your own suggestions (and why you think each would be important or would help).
We have put a lot of thought into each aspect of our program design to maximize good, freedom, and community support, while minimizing the potential for abuse.
You issued an ultimatum (cease or be downvoted) with zero research into how our program works and assume that your suggestions are for the good of the chain. If you don't even know how our program works, how can you be so sure that you're in the right?
You've had responses from dozens of SBI supporters asking you to stop your attacks. If nobody has come to your aid and dozens of people have explained their own reasons for supporting and using SBI, how can you be so sure you're in the right?
If your only argument is 'all vote-selling is bad for Steem and should be stopped' then your hypocrisy astounds me and we have no further room for discussion. We can withstand your tax. Can you withstand STEEM going to zero? That's where the virtue signalling downvotes of you and other former bid-bot vote-sellers are driving it.
Leave that blah blah blah crap and beautiful words about supporting for a while. What do you see? I see money.
Let's follow the money.
I just exchanged a couple of hundreds USD for STEEM and powered it up. Yesterday I have done same thing. Now answer 2 simple questions:
Follow the money, the price of STEEM has dipped after you started your thing.
Please stop raping its value and hurting my investments.
Please stop raping my investment, use #sbi-skip
@,mmmmkkkk311, SBI supports a greater circle than you most likely are.
Hold up! You're claiming you're not in a circle of your own. Do tell. Teach us, Great One. How did you escape the circle?
@mmmmkkkk311 voting CSI from Steemworld:
@steembasicincome voting CSI from Steemworld:
The design of SBI is such that every other SBI program voting account has a higher CSI than main account, but @sbi-tokens CSI would be representative of the whole program:
Because pending value is accumulated until minimum upvote threshold is exceeded, the majority of SBI members receive votes less frequently than once per week at current STEEM prices, CSI would need calculated over a longer time period to be really accurate, but this gives an approximate idea.
So yes, as mmkk said, follow the money. We have delivered almost a million total upvotes, distributed across thousands of accounts, and more than half of accounts receiving upvotes never sent any money or 'paid' for their upvotes in any way.
@mmmmkkkk311 is getting so mad at the results of SBI that he has to downvote this fact. bwahaha!!!!!
No facts to back up his claims. This dude is wack.
@josephsavage, how do I see how much I have gained or lost by having SBI shares? (I'm guessing, but I would say I'm in the green. Lets see the facts, please.)
A precise number is actually pretty hard to get to, because payout values of rshares change over time. However, we can identify with precision exactly how many rshares have been delivered and provide an approximate range of how much STEEM that would be at current values.
You have received 48876374025798 rshares. That's a range of 72-144 STEEM in rewards before curation, depending on where each post ends up on Convergent Linear Rewards Curve. Based on your average unit age, at least half was delivered before HF21 when there was no CLRC range and curation was a lower cut. I would estimate your after payout rewards from SBI to be between 72 and 108 STEEM.
Whether that's 'in the green' depends on how you value your units on an ongoing basis. There is a thin OTC market for units (since they are transferable above 25 unit minimum) that is valuing units between 0.45 and 0.50. That would make your current value (units at mark-to-market plus rewards already received) somewhere in 218.7 to 271 range. Unless I miscounted, you have spent 224 STEEM on sponsoring and the rest were sponsored. That means at low end of range you are almost in the green and at high end you are in the green.