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RE: Thoughts on Natural Rights

in #philosophy7 years ago (edited)

This was actually good. Your whole text supports system I just fully introduced in my blog post. I claim that state was created by society, and it is supposed to serve it. Laws are there just to strengthen the ties of society.

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I think the idea of the State and Government gets confused a lot. To be clear, government has always been a product of society as a way individuals self-organize to ensure legal protections. Indigenous American tribes operated in similar way. The State, on the other hand, is the conquering group of people who metastasizes the social order of self-government in order to exploit it's citizens. Thomas Paine and the anti-federalists like Jefferson understood this although as we know the idea of the State took over the US.

Even Aristotle supposedly got this mixed up, and all the governments around the world are indeed just States.

Well, I think here is were our view or understanding of a word differs. I see state rather as a physical body under goverment. I find state to be nescessary in modern days, but I do also see that goverment has not had need for state in some small groups like villages. I think that nation has been mixed with society and that has created idea that state is behind everything, rather than society and that has led to this goverment control and over-expansion of state.

The State is just a collection of individuals who seek power over others, same thing as a gang or any other criminal class. Government in its true form is suppose to be about "self-governance", where individuals consent to its terms in a community. If you have an imposing faction that seeks to dominate you and others then they are no different than armed thugs.

I like Weber's idea of the state: "The state has a monopoly on violence"

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