FatKat Becomes Grumpycat VoteBuyer Compliant

in #philosophy7 years ago


Well Gang he got me. Was worried for a while asked questions but never heard back. Anyhuh @GrumpyCat downvoted a post I used a 3.5 day+ bot on, even though the post was same day. I then called him a piece of shit and went on one of my rants. I also tagged all the non GC, Grumpycat, bots to inquire if they would insure against Grumpycat, none responded from what I saw.

As a Free Market guy, I like how Milton and Rose' son David Friedman discusses how in an anarchic society one could have polycentric law where there can be localities with and without the deathpenalty and when there is a conflict of laws/ jurisdictions one side could pay and compensate the other side for the interference with liberty. Perhaps the 5th Amendment was supposed to accomplish this?? at around 49 min and 50 sec


But so No bots have responded so looks like Grumpy Cat wins. I shall not purchase from bots that do 3.5+

Now we can get into the philosophy of it, but it looks like my opinion and power doesn't really matter yet, hopefully someday soon I will have Grumpy's power to cybernetically adjust steem to my desired targets subject to my perceived self interest/utility function and my values or whatever motivates me to move.

We can get into what Grumpy's goal might be, perhaps turn people off, or perhaps he really wants to accomplish his goal, or perhaps something more sinister. But facts is seems the rulers on steem have decided

"Anarchism- anarchy is a tendency in human development that seeks to identify structures of hierarchy, domination, authority and others that constrain human development. And then it seeks to subject them to a very reasonable challenge- it asks the structure to "justify it's self"! The structure should demonstrate that it's "legitimate"in special circumstances or conceivably in principal. And if it can't meet that challenge, it should be dismantled! Not just dismantled but reconstructed from below."

Noam Chomsky


For now seems Grumpycat has demonstrated his legitimacy. As publius Syrus asserted concerning the subject nature of value, looks like Grumpy is willing to pay more to have steem the way he wants it than others are willing to not have it that way.

"everything is worth what a purchaser will pay."


Now we could get into a much broader discussion of What steem should be and the nature of downvotes. I personally am opposed to most if not all downvotes. I think we should try to decide if steem is to be a marketplace of ideas/a currency/or some like publishing platform with a certain format. I think for all three the sooner we decide what we want steem to be the sooner things will become more regular and incentives for people to act in desired ways should be around more stable prices. If steem network goal is to be marketplace of ideas or currency, then I think best to just eliminate down votes except for spam. Downvotes hurt lots of innocents and can make people leave who could have been great additions.

Downvotes also break people down when steem in my opnion should build them up and catalyze voluntary association. If steem is to be a currency also think best to eliminate downvotes. Alternative I think what would be best is having different payout weights so if people identify purely investment 0 proof of brain they can do so safely at x weight, or people can do normal good quality posts at y weight, or not sufficiently good quality posts at z, and if people try to improperly self categorize their weights then take punitive action for defection in this prisoner's dilemma. Now if Steem is meant to only have sufficiently good content that metts certain expecations perhaps ok to have downvotes, but again I think my weighting system would be better and help create the desired incentives people claim they want.

Humans are very dumb and easily controllable. Perhaps instead of focusing on proper post payout amount or other nearly impossible things to objectively quantify an ontological artifact that is tied to a certain time/space. Perhaps we should focus on systemic level solutions to these problems.

The one thing I will say about these little experiments with people like Grumpycat is shows that people can affect structures and systems without coercion--unless you consider a downvote coercion, which I would not necessarily disagree with. But regardless, one thing statists misrepresent about reality is that autopoietic system like the beauty of the "invisible hand" do not necessarily lead to chaos everytime, and as frequently been shown via failed state interventions, centralized control especially for interventions like price setting often leads to the opposite effects like exacerbating shortages.

Thanks for your time and eyeballs. Hopefully we can help steem finally settle all these goddamned rules so normal people will join in mass. Even if it isn't 100% the way I want it, we need to clean up this ecosystem for mass diffusion and make whatever rules there are clear and as uniformly enforced as possible so they achieve the claimed point of rules which is to adjust and regulate conduct due to some set goal or value.

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What is going on is exactly as below :

  • @grumpycat is against bots that are upvoting over 3,5 days
  • @grumpycat loses all his support by downvoting innocent people with fresh posts.
  • @grumpycat uses his high SP on less powerful people
  • @grumpycat is a bully that must be stopped...

FD.

good luck with teh crusade, I myself am only concerned with the collateral damage, and may try to save them for their first time, obviously a 2nd bailout would not be efficient.

anyone who is over 60 rep and has some SP need to get together on this. Its a lot of female users and people just learning on steemit. He is using us /them as pawns. ANd destroying the livelyhood of new users!!

yea, hope to take the collateral damage off the field here soon, but no further. I will not subsidize the upvote bots as they profit.

Not sure how stopping him will subsidize bots?

Looks like since he can't attack the Bots, then he attacks their customer base. At least I am not getting involved in his fights against @sneaky-ninja, after he hitted me

good writing and good story

thanks glad you enjoyed it, hopefully we as a community can come to a consensus soon and end this collateral damage

Well thought out, and I admire your bravery in writing this post. You raise some very valid points. Sorry to hear about the downvote, you did not deserve it.

Thanks, hope you are doing well and finding your audience, hit me up so I can help you find your audience if you have special posts, my other comment told you can contanct me same name on steem chat or thefatkat discord

Thank you! You are very kind. I just posted a drawing if you want to take a look!

I've been here a couple months and the insincerity is the first thing that stood out. There are people who share thoughtful comments and you can tell they're just trying to get a vote, but at least they put some time and effort into what they're saying.

The group that bugs me are basically e-beggars with lazy, low-effort "thank you for posting"-type content. It's like chicks fishing for compliments and attention on Insta, but instead of putting SOME work into a cute photo they just snap a pic of themselves laying in bed, messed up hair and face pushed back showing off the double chin.

yea, hopefully this part of the culture changes somehow, but some people upvote comments that have no value which incentivizes the cycle.

I can’t stand Grumpy Cat on here!
Total POS

yea, he's a charachter. But 6 day upvote posts may not have be sustainable. Not sure. hopefully we might be able to get the collateral damage off the battle field.

This cat is very frightening, visible from his very sharp eyes like to pounce on his prey
@zulfahmii

yep, but cats can also be playful and friendly

That's right what you say and the cat is one of the most benign animals it is not.

Thx for the post.
I know it hurts a lot to be downvoted for something u have worked for..
I have seen many of your posts they are all great..
So i have started to follow u and also upvoted u.
I know as a newbie my upvote wont make a difference but u deserve it

thanks everything helps, hope you find your audience and keep it up, good job making meaningful comment!!

Awesome post.. see u again...keep it up

What did you find awesome about it, some people downvote to vague comments that can be posted to any post

Grumpycat has demonstrated his legitimacy

Legitimacy? No. This is not legitimate power.

depend how you define legitimate, I mean no one will stop him especially if the bots dont care even about teh collateral damage. I hope Grumpy Cat will be ok with me trying to save the collateral damage, he seems reasonable as long as he gets to make things into the vision he wants, and it is his power and he has earned it.

It is his illegitimate power and he has not earned it. He is altering the rights of others without their permission, which is what makes his power illegitimate.

If these are rights why are they not in the algorhithm so they are not up to the whim of a grumpycat? You know my opinion. And I agree steem would be best to transform these institutionalized anti social interactions. But if does not then perhaps someone will fork it and make it work to uplift our world run amok.

The system was built on libertarian values, with the extremes of libertarianism being anarchy. The non-aggression principle wasn't adhered to when the developers included punishment via flagging, so certain libertarian concepts are missing.

No one has the legitimate right to stop Grumpycat any more than Grumpycat has the right to stop other people. It's what anarchists think they want until they see it happening.

interesting ideas. I think Dr. Friedman had it right that we need to get the wrong people to do the right thing

          @grumpycat has stated many times and with his down votes of why. Disagreement on payout is a valid down vote. Disagreement on abuse is a valid downvote. @grumpycat has stated many times that the 3.5 days upvote is in his opinion abuse of the reward pool. Use of non compliant bots by individuals is considered abuse and reward pool theft thus reward disagreement on the part of @grumpycat. There is absolutely no reason to feel "sorry" for any individual that @grumpycat flags. He does not care if you are a Rep of 25 or 75 he will downvote as he said a "random" bot abuser. He has done what he stated he would do.

collateral damage > illegitimate power

          No such thing for either of these statements. Grumpy cat warned the bot owners what would happen, he has made post to let people know what will happen, if bot owners did not inform their clients that they may be downvoted/flagged by @grumpycat, then it is the bot owner that is responsible for the collateral damage.

          @grumpycat invested his money and powered that investment up. There is nothing illegitimate to the power he controls. Anyone that wants the same power that he has can invest, or purchase, or rent it, from any number of places.

Wrong - the abuse of illegitimate power by the like of @grumpycat isn't something to applaud. You'll learn that for yourself, someday.

hes demonstrated that with money he can attack the helpless in an attempt to manipulate him

me this what i lways tell to the people i sign up on steemit, not to comment on anything unless you've read it. People work hard on Steemit and it's frustrating when others comment without knowing what they're commenting on.

Yes, dont understand what this has to do with my post?

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