Controlling type people look for more ways of control.
The Gestapo kept files on everyone they could get.
Just think about what they could do if they could monitor every phone call and put all the information into an electronic database.
Well, they would collect every bit of information, nothing would stop them accept a bullet to the head. That information to control people is a stronger pull than alcohol to an alcoholic.
The FBI, back when Muhammad Ali was fighting was shown that 80% of the end-table was for keeping control files on people. Only 20% was for fighting national crime. Today... they have removed crime fighting from their mission statement.
So, of course Boogle is sucking up everything. You can trust them on that.
I am confident that every possible means of data collection is undertaken to the limits of their capabilities. Action potential is then developed based on emergent need, resources, and goals. Sooner or later, though, they'll use every bit they harvest, if they're not BTFO.
I also am presently convinced that the nature of the technology makes data harvest inevitable. Therefore, rather than opposing such invasive surveillance, I promote making such collection publicly auditable, to prevent it being a) ignored, and b) useful for extortion, while also enabling the public to prosecute corruption.
Surveillance technology is a sword with as many edges as there are targets, and every target can employ it against their oppressors - if we create that infrastructure. Steem is a leap towards that infrastructure, and making surveillance and data collection actually more harmful to corrupt war profiteers and police state thugs than it is beneficial.
I seen that on the nightly news tonight, I just giggled. I don't know how people allow these things in their homes in the first place. While looking through some stuff a few years ago I came across several articles that said all these "smart" appliances in your home can be hacked by law enforcement to listen into your conversations inside your house, so can those smart meters most utilities are sticking on your house outside.
This reminds of how mad people were a few years back when they found out that their cable company (this was out in California when the discovery was made but I don't remember which cable company it was at the time) had put a camera in their cable box that enabled them to view the outline of imagines of those who were watching television so they could determine what commercials to aim for, if kids were watching they'd run ads for toys as an example.
Big brother stuff is what makes the Jussie Smallet case so hilarious. In today's society with camera's everywhere how on earth did he not think about businesses who have camera's outside their establishments. Here they've even gone one step further, businesses downtown can link up to a computer system at the police department that lets the police interns view computers screens of what's going on in the downtown area in real time. This back fired on them a couple years ago when the police came running around a corner and tackled a guy to the ground within minutes of a fight breaking out outside a bar, they tackled the wrong guy...he was defending himself...that's what happens when police jump to conclusions.
I agree completely. Both examples you cited support my own view that surveillance is impossible to prevent, since cameras and microphones are, and that it is far more potentially beneficial to the public because it is able to be used to prevent corrupt thugs from profiting from malign criminality.
If we develop the necessary infrastructure - and Steem is potentially an example of the key component, the publicly auditable decentralized archive of data - surveillance is capable of effecting the end of government corruption and collusion with bad actors.
Well, it was going good up until you implied the blockchain is going to rid the world of ills. There are plenty of accusations on here from people this site was mined in advanced, if it were meant to be fair, balanced and un- corrupted everyone would have started out on equal footing and achieved according to their ability like everyone else. Just like the claim there are no middle men...but there are and they do get their cut just like middlemen in the real world, their known as witnesses. No matter what way you look at it there's always someone in the middle somehow. Then there's the near improbability that the average person is going to come on here and find themselves becoming millionaires by accumulating pennies when the deck is/has been stacked against them. Sure there's a lot you can do when it comes to data and truth and it being preserved forever but eliminating corruption and collusion isn't going to cut it on every angle.
DLTs aren't necessarily tokenized. Steem is an example of a DLT, but a DLT to collect, store, and provide access to surveillance data wouldn't necessarily require a token, nor premining even if it did.
Neither do I think even the elimination of corrupt public officials and thugs would rid the world of ills.
The underlying reality of technology is that it changes things, and it is unpredictable how those changes iterate beyond the short term, or how they impact other things that are changing. We can have some idea, but no certainty. Technology ultimately increases the power of individuals relative to groups. This includes improving known means of production, from food, clothes, hardware, tools, and every other good you can name. Various technologies are now making it possible for you personally to make those things I just listed yourself, grow your food yourself, and build your home and car yourself, even if you're not a farmer, seamstress, machinist, carpenter, or mechanic. Automation and improved process technology (or business systems) is reducing middlemen, and I believe that this will be complete sooner or later.
When we can make all the stuff we need ourselves, why will we need pennies?
All these technologies are happening at the same time, not one after the other. The disparate increases in our power are going to concatenate, and at some point the effects on markets, money, politics, and war become so strong that I believe all those things will become obsolete.
Not today, not tomorrow, not next year, but sooner or later. In the mean time, as we adopt and employ these technologies our prosperity, freedom, and felicity will increase as a result.
We are the product of billions of years of parsing by evolutionary forces. Government is an evolutionary force. So is technology. Each of us determines how those forces act upon us by acting.
If bern wasn't downvoting and spamming guys like me with dick pics, he would have been left alone. And @fulltimegeek is only downvoting the curator (who are we misleading? the curator is bernie - don't act as if you don't know it) after bernie uses his bots to upvote himself.
Sorry to answer here and not on your comment. But I'm afraid of seeing ALL of MY POSTS and ALL of MY COMMENTS flagged again by the guy you're defending.
You mischaracterize my comments as defending persons instead of vectors for beneficial impact. I don't care who is manually curating content. I care that manual curation is being undertaken, and that it is beneficial to Steem.
You might note my comment to bernie and the consistency in both comments supporting curative incentive imparting value to Steem.
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"Even if you don't have any of this technology, someone nearby will."
This is very true, and why I advocate folks being able to stream the data from their devices to a decentralized DLT (like Steem) that they can make public at their sole option. Government and other corruption and crime will be very much curtailed with that infrastructural development.
I was just reading a thread on /pol/ nostalging about how much better Americans had it 30 and 40 years ago. Whether you remember better times or not, conditions, particularly urban conditions, are worsening for most people. When you look at places where crime is worse than it is in the US, such as parts of Mexico, South Africa, and so on, you see that homes are fortresses - gated, fenced, barred windows and steel doors. 50 years ago that was the extent of technology available. Today cameras are almost always part of those security measures.
People pay attention to crime as it does more harm to them, and act. What we're discussing is basically a new kind of security technology, and you're right, few know about it, or will anytime soon. But it will become better known as it becomes better developed, and people look for ways to protect themselves.
I guess there are worse plans than that. If you look up MEMS, GEMS, smartdust you'll get the picture. Besides, not so long ago I watched CBC News Marketplace video on Youtube on how cars, smartphones, home cameras even nursing cameras can be hacked. While making the video the hired hacker even turned on the heating up to 33 degrees Celsius in someone's home. Worth watching!
Given things like smart dust eventuating inevitably, I note the ability of the public to share the surveillance data therefrom to attack corruption and crime will be far more harmful to bad actors than the present proprietary possession of surveillance data enables them to extort and harm the public and government.
I reckon it's inevitable, and impossible to prevent bad actors from gaining access to the data anyway, so the public should take control of it and use it against criminals. It is they that have the most to lose from surveillance after all, not honest folks.
For them, it is: if it doesn't go one way it goes another way. So, they don't lose at all. So, how do you avoid something like smartdust - nano-sized measurement robots - falling from the sky and landing on everything, even your hair and in your nostrils? It is smart dust that supposedly gives the sky an occasional iridescent glow.
You see, the building of the Panama canal was financed by placing the dead bodies of the workers in the double-bottomed barrels that were shipped and sold to London for research - 20.000 of them. While in London they scooped 60.000 poor and homeless for the same purpose. Those were the beginning days of medical clinical research.
I don't know if it's any different now. It just looks different and the technology is different, so the adversaries could be more hidden and distant.
And, if you place two seemingly un-connected texts together, like the one about smartdust and nano-bots and Secret Convenant, then the future looks far more dystopian than just a peacefully beautiful day in the woods may offer to see at present.
Plants and animals will show us that there is something absolutely wrong going on, but we might not figure out what it is and from where it comes until it's too late. In 2018 quite some fruit started appearing as Siamese twins - a horror look. So, what's next?
For me what's next is beginning to develop my home rationally. 3D printing, aquaponics, solar, etc. I reckon smart folks will do the same as they become aware of it, as the tech matures, and failing to do so puts them at disadvantage. As the number of people doing this grows, the economic power they possess grows, and grows faster, while the economic power of corrupitalists decreases.
Controlling type people look for more ways of control.
The Gestapo kept files on everyone they could get.
Just think about what they could do if they could monitor every phone call and put all the information into an electronic database.
Well, they would collect every bit of information, nothing would stop them accept a bullet to the head. That information to control people is a stronger pull than alcohol to an alcoholic.
The FBI, back when Muhammad Ali was fighting was shown that 80% of the end-table was for keeping control files on people. Only 20% was for fighting national crime. Today... they have removed crime fighting from their mission statement.
So, of course Boogle is sucking up everything. You can trust them on that.
I am confident that every possible means of data collection is undertaken to the limits of their capabilities. Action potential is then developed based on emergent need, resources, and goals. Sooner or later, though, they'll use every bit they harvest, if they're not BTFO.
I also am presently convinced that the nature of the technology makes data harvest inevitable. Therefore, rather than opposing such invasive surveillance, I promote making such collection publicly auditable, to prevent it being a) ignored, and b) useful for extortion, while also enabling the public to prosecute corruption.
Surveillance technology is a sword with as many edges as there are targets, and every target can employ it against their oppressors - if we create that infrastructure. Steem is a leap towards that infrastructure, and making surveillance and data collection actually more harmful to corrupt war profiteers and police state thugs than it is beneficial.
Thanks!
I seen that on the nightly news tonight, I just giggled. I don't know how people allow these things in their homes in the first place. While looking through some stuff a few years ago I came across several articles that said all these "smart" appliances in your home can be hacked by law enforcement to listen into your conversations inside your house, so can those smart meters most utilities are sticking on your house outside.
This reminds of how mad people were a few years back when they found out that their cable company (this was out in California when the discovery was made but I don't remember which cable company it was at the time) had put a camera in their cable box that enabled them to view the outline of imagines of those who were watching television so they could determine what commercials to aim for, if kids were watching they'd run ads for toys as an example.
Big brother stuff is what makes the Jussie Smallet case so hilarious. In today's society with camera's everywhere how on earth did he not think about businesses who have camera's outside their establishments. Here they've even gone one step further, businesses downtown can link up to a computer system at the police department that lets the police interns view computers screens of what's going on in the downtown area in real time. This back fired on them a couple years ago when the police came running around a corner and tackled a guy to the ground within minutes of a fight breaking out outside a bar, they tackled the wrong guy...he was defending himself...that's what happens when police jump to conclusions.
I agree completely. Both examples you cited support my own view that surveillance is impossible to prevent, since cameras and microphones are, and that it is far more potentially beneficial to the public because it is able to be used to prevent corrupt thugs from profiting from malign criminality.
If we develop the necessary infrastructure - and Steem is potentially an example of the key component, the publicly auditable decentralized archive of data - surveillance is capable of effecting the end of government corruption and collusion with bad actors.
Thanks!
Well, it was going good up until you implied the blockchain is going to rid the world of ills. There are plenty of accusations on here from people this site was mined in advanced, if it were meant to be fair, balanced and un- corrupted everyone would have started out on equal footing and achieved according to their ability like everyone else. Just like the claim there are no middle men...but there are and they do get their cut just like middlemen in the real world, their known as witnesses. No matter what way you look at it there's always someone in the middle somehow. Then there's the near improbability that the average person is going to come on here and find themselves becoming millionaires by accumulating pennies when the deck is/has been stacked against them. Sure there's a lot you can do when it comes to data and truth and it being preserved forever but eliminating corruption and collusion isn't going to cut it on every angle.
DLTs aren't necessarily tokenized. Steem is an example of a DLT, but a DLT to collect, store, and provide access to surveillance data wouldn't necessarily require a token, nor premining even if it did.
Neither do I think even the elimination of corrupt public officials and thugs would rid the world of ills.
The underlying reality of technology is that it changes things, and it is unpredictable how those changes iterate beyond the short term, or how they impact other things that are changing. We can have some idea, but no certainty. Technology ultimately increases the power of individuals relative to groups. This includes improving known means of production, from food, clothes, hardware, tools, and every other good you can name. Various technologies are now making it possible for you personally to make those things I just listed yourself, grow your food yourself, and build your home and car yourself, even if you're not a farmer, seamstress, machinist, carpenter, or mechanic. Automation and improved process technology (or business systems) is reducing middlemen, and I believe that this will be complete sooner or later.
When we can make all the stuff we need ourselves, why will we need pennies?
All these technologies are happening at the same time, not one after the other. The disparate increases in our power are going to concatenate, and at some point the effects on markets, money, politics, and war become so strong that I believe all those things will become obsolete.
Not today, not tomorrow, not next year, but sooner or later. In the mean time, as we adopt and employ these technologies our prosperity, freedom, and felicity will increase as a result.
That's good enough for me.
Will all this come with a do it yourself kit the government will give everyone so that all are self sustaining?
LOL
I'll hold my breath until then.
We are the product of billions of years of parsing by evolutionary forces. Government is an evolutionary force. So is technology. Each of us determines how those forces act upon us by acting.
If bern wasn't downvoting and spamming guys like me with dick pics, he would have been left alone. And @fulltimegeek is only downvoting the curator (who are we misleading? the curator is bernie - don't act as if you don't know it) after bernie uses his bots to upvote himself.
Sorry to answer here and not on your comment. But I'm afraid of seeing ALL of MY POSTS and ALL of MY COMMENTS flagged again by the guy you're defending.
You mischaracterize my comments as defending persons instead of vectors for beneficial impact. I don't care who is manually curating content. I care that manual curation is being undertaken, and that it is beneficial to Steem.
You might note my comment to bernie and the consistency in both comments supporting curative incentive imparting value to Steem.
I have much reason to slavishly support @fulltimegeek, and to effect the opposite of @berniesanders, yet I do neither, because I am not slavish in the least, and do not care that I am personally benefited, but consider instead benefit to the community.
My every post and comment, every vote and flag I have cast, show this.
I can appreciate that folks are focused on impact to their account specifically. I am not. I do not fault folks for self-interest, but myself focus on the platform and am willing to suffer what consequences to my account that entails.
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I'm sure there is some legalese covering this somewhere in their terms of service, that almost nobody reads.
That said, most people carry a mobile phone that can track your movements while also having the ability to record audio and video.
Even if you don't have any of this technology, someone nearby will.
This is very true, and why I advocate folks being able to stream the data from their devices to a decentralized DLT (like Steem) that they can make public at their sole option. Government and other corruption and crime will be very much curtailed with that infrastructural development.
Thanks!
That seems quite unlikely for the masses though.
Most don't realize (or care) that there is so much more to the internet than mainstream social media sites.
I was just reading a thread on /pol/ nostalging about how much better Americans had it 30 and 40 years ago. Whether you remember better times or not, conditions, particularly urban conditions, are worsening for most people. When you look at places where crime is worse than it is in the US, such as parts of Mexico, South Africa, and so on, you see that homes are fortresses - gated, fenced, barred windows and steel doors. 50 years ago that was the extent of technology available. Today cameras are almost always part of those security measures.
People pay attention to crime as it does more harm to them, and act. What we're discussing is basically a new kind of security technology, and you're right, few know about it, or will anytime soon. But it will become better known as it becomes better developed, and people look for ways to protect themselves.
I think it's only a matter of time.
I guess there are worse plans than that. If you look up MEMS, GEMS, smartdust you'll get the picture. Besides, not so long ago I watched CBC News Marketplace video on Youtube on how cars, smartphones, home cameras even nursing cameras can be hacked. While making the video the hired hacker even turned on the heating up to 33 degrees Celsius in someone's home. Worth watching!
Given things like smart dust eventuating inevitably, I note the ability of the public to share the surveillance data therefrom to attack corruption and crime will be far more harmful to bad actors than the present proprietary possession of surveillance data enables them to extort and harm the public and government.
I reckon it's inevitable, and impossible to prevent bad actors from gaining access to the data anyway, so the public should take control of it and use it against criminals. It is they that have the most to lose from surveillance after all, not honest folks.
Thanks!
For them, it is: if it doesn't go one way it goes another way. So, they don't lose at all. So, how do you avoid something like smartdust - nano-sized measurement robots - falling from the sky and landing on everything, even your hair and in your nostrils? It is smart dust that supposedly gives the sky an occasional iridescent glow.
You see, the building of the Panama canal was financed by placing the dead bodies of the workers in the double-bottomed barrels that were shipped and sold to London for research - 20.000 of them. While in London they scooped 60.000 poor and homeless for the same purpose. Those were the beginning days of medical clinical research.
I don't know if it's any different now. It just looks different and the technology is different, so the adversaries could be more hidden and distant.
And, if you place two seemingly un-connected texts together, like the one about smartdust and nano-bots and Secret Convenant, then the future looks far more dystopian than just a peacefully beautiful day in the woods may offer to see at present.
Plants and animals will show us that there is something absolutely wrong going on, but we might not figure out what it is and from where it comes until it's too late. In 2018 quite some fruit started appearing as Siamese twins - a horror look. So, what's next?
For me what's next is beginning to develop my home rationally. 3D printing, aquaponics, solar, etc. I reckon smart folks will do the same as they become aware of it, as the tech matures, and failing to do so puts them at disadvantage. As the number of people doing this grows, the economic power they possess grows, and grows faster, while the economic power of corrupitalists decreases.
The situation will evolve.
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