My feeling is that whatever the people do, they need to be aware that it will, if at all possible, be manipulated to benefit the leaders. A lot of what these people are doing is asking their government to do things for them. The government caused these problems, so why would they fix it if it's not in their interest? The boomer period was a time of spectacular improvement. Of course they want to turn back the clock, but it was never set up to last.
I certainly understand why you question it. I think many people are must sitting back and seeing what affect it has, if any. Which means it can never be seen to be effective in any way that is detrimental to government positions.
There certainly are folks sitting back and keeping an eye on things. Revolutions are notorious for being effected by ~10% of populations or less. I am confident there are a lot of folks awaiting some significant act or government response before they are motivated to act, because that's human nature.
Why would government backtrack? It has given a little, but that's not been enough, and you're right that they won't, because they are on this path for reasons and those reasons haven't changed one bit. Either the French are going to effect the changes they need, or they are going to remain needy.
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Maybe you should have read @zoef, but he stopped writing, so read some of his old posts and their translations, if you wish. (Also, some 100 people lost their eyes (one), because the police were shooting with rubber bullets.) You know, those orchestrating the chaos are very smart, and those who don't live in spirit with them or their opposing group are but a speck of dust. And, those specks of dust dare to protest and demand anything. Once, not so long ago humans were allotted to the landowner and were not allowed to move to another town, and first Ottoman Turks were used by the oligarchs to slaughter the rioting peasants and when the oligarchs found that they won't last on their positions they used the peasants to fend off the Turks. Now you have to insert other namings.
After I read the Secret Covenant (it's on Biblioteca Pleiades) I just gave up on everything.
To me, it looks like Mahabharat 2.0 is approaching with all its technology in 2.0 version. They have all the technology to put everyone on Earth to sleep for eternity, so it surprises me that this nuisance called humans they have to deal with are still walking around. I really don't get it, do they want to have fun or do they - just so happens - still need humans.
I never understood why anyone would be an anarchist or like anarchy. How can you imagine production or delivery to function in anarchy? If you take a solar panel to picture a rough sketch, for instance, someone has to bring all the raw material to the point of production and then produce the solar panel, then establish points of sale, collect payments and also pay those who delivered the raw material. I like order, but not a fascistic or communistic type, or some other invention that hardly allows a person to breathe.
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Why do all nation-states, even the obviously failed states such as Venezuela and Zimbabwe, maintain a court of law? The ignorant passions of those who perceive injustice can vent their grievances (and resources) in the byzantine legal matrix, rather than shedding blood on the streets, for redress of their complaints. Thus, the most civilized states of the world expend enormous resources in maintaining the perception of "independent" judiciary, "fair" legal outcomes, and "universally" applicable laws. Given this sociopolitical matrix, those who deviate from the expected avenues of grievance release can be easily categorized as malcontents and degenerates that need to be crushed beneath the jackboot of the internal security apparatus.
These "yellow vests" were unlicensed protesters, when they began their riots. Any competent political ruler would have responded with massive force to quell the potential uprising before it could grow and spread. Macron, obviously, is not competent, as he is nothing more than a glorified accountant. But the French bureaucrats are competent, and have channeled what could have been a bloody disorder, into the now organized, scheduled, expected gatherings of social discontents, conveniently on weekends when productive workers are not bothered. "Yellow vests" are not a movement, as much as it is a rock concert and a minor nuisance.
While destroying the protests with nominal force would have ended them, it would have had consequences that have been avoided. There seems to be significant populations that have confidence that government is merely misguided, and not venal profiteers. Such violent repression may well have backfired, and actual guillotines fired up, rather than merely the memes.
France does have significant armed 'peasants' despite the general disarming, enough to definitely heat things up and drag in the military - which has forewarned Macron that the primary cause of complaint of the hoi polloi is intolerable, unenforceable, and just not going to happen. Of course I mean the Migration Pact, rather than the carbon tax. The latter was just more palatable to protesters, who face significant cognitive dissonance over racial and cultural homogeneity issues.
Macron will have to replace his generals before he might find some that will lead the French military against it's citizens, and just as the US military would face ~50% desertion, saboteurs, and transfers of it's arsenal to civilians in such a scenario, the French do also.
As you point out, allowing the steam to blow off in relatively trivial acting up prevents morale from triggering actual revolution, which either significant concessions, or violent repression, would do.
That's a good point. The chances are that people will get bored when nothing changes and see little point in turning up at the rallies. It could likely fizzle out given enough time.
The French have a sort of traditional protest culture, centered on students, but also including several other demographics, like their teachers. Traditionally, when school breaks for the summer, protest season begins, and this is what Yellowjackets are expecting to happen.
May 22 IIRC (not looking at a calendar atm) is expected to usher in a new era, as the core working class component that has endured winter protests is boosted by fresh blood and good weather. Few of them are expecting swift results, and morale seems high, despite the injuries, MSM blackout (and French media disinfo), and lack of traction.
That could be an interesting. I'll have to try and remember to keep any eye out. I didn't realise about the protest culture. I guess we're looking at seasoned protesters who know how to stay the course.
Examples in history suggests that repression via overwhelming force is highly effective in quelling potential riots and revolts. Even in your recent US history provides clear evidence of ruling through the iron fist over "negotiating" with the ignorant muck. When Matin Luther King was assainated and race riots threated major US cities, the mayor of Detroit pled with the would be rioters resulting in his city burning to the ground, and Detroit becoming the ruin that it is today. The mayor of Chicago declared virtual martial law and informed would be rioters that they would be shot on sight; Chicago is a thriving metropolis today. Any ruler who would stoop to begging his rebellious subjects for peace ought to first slit his wife's throat and smother his children before attempting such suicidal insanity.
Men need to be governed, not coddled. France has in possession the best mercenary army in the world: Legion estrangere. Macron need not even muster native French soldiers to lockdown Paris. As for the French generals and officers, they are loyal to their paymasters in French bureaucracy and would be unwilling to risk their previleged position, in some high risk low reward gamble, by siding with disorganized mob of over-emotional rabble.
It is fortunate that the yellow vest protests will be nothing more than a footnote in obscure French historical trivia. Macron's incompetence may have saved gallons of French blood. Their next master may not be so accomodating, however.
I note the French are the source of particularly poignant quote regarding riots and repression: Let them eat cake.
The Bastille and bastinado do not always suppress dissent. The West is undergoing replacement, and is not simply unaware and complacent about it. Things will continue to develop, and we will see what comes of it. My expectation presently is that Macron has little interest in pressing harder, as long as the Yellow Vests don't.
I said recently on chain that gender was a social construct, which is pretty similar. If you can point to a particular post or comment to refresh my memory, that would be great. Ok?
Oh, I'll see your identity politics and raise you hypersexuality. There are a few species which involve sexual intercourse in practically every societal function, and H. sapiens is one. From establishing dominance to seeking rent, people work the twerk to go along and get along. Sometimes people get so fixated and indoctrinated (most people, most of the time TBQH) that the biological fact of human hypersexuality has no part in their grasp of themselves and society.
People become acculturated to believe all sorts of things about themselves, sex, and the intersection between them. Some people call themselves gay and do everything in their power to prove it. Some people claim that homosexual acts are sins of the devil and seek to behead them or throw them off roofs. Some people convince their own little children to voluntarily sexually mutilate themselves so they can become sex toys for depraved pedophiles.
People are pretty easily deranged when instead of nominal education they're indoctrinated from birth to serve rentiers. Basically normal people are able to adopt whatever cultural norms are extant in the society they live in, and little is so flexible or basic to human societies as sexuality.
This is what I mean when I say gender is a social construct. Society is deeply affected by propaganda effected by rentiers for their own benefit, and rentiers have devised a cultural milieu to prevent people from being rational and able to strongly execute actions that benefit themselves and their communities in favor of serving the interests of rentiers. This includes being indoctrinated to call themselves gay.
There are also particular twists and turns of individual genetic makeup that really do result in hermaphroditism, or other such maladaptations. Very little of this actually eventuates, though. Less than one in a million if I had to hazard a guess. Such maladaptive mutations are so strongly subject to evolutionary forces that they literally cannot be passed to offspring - or at least couldn't prior to technology lending a hand.
To illustrate the difference between hypersexuality and the unique human cultural adaptibility that has been coopted by rentiers to advantage themselves, there aren't 'gay' bonobos or dolphins. There are just hypersexual bonobos and dolphins, that are still able to successfully form pair bonds and naturally breed - except for maladaptive mutations that quickly remove themselves from the genepool.
Yes. Both are affects of society, rather than some kind of objective morality. Each of us imbibes our culture and ferments it in the bowels of our subconscious. Clever manipulators seek to create through that process factions that will pay them rent for their power. Others seek to tap or devour those streams of income, and dies are cast, lives are lost, hearts are broken, and families spawn the next generation of players, ready to sip or guzzle the ideals and mores of the communities they're born into, per their natures.
We are availed of examples of people that do both, such as Roy Cohn, or Jeffrey Dahmer. Were those traits structural components of people that were built in at birth, such contradictions couldn't exist. Since they do, we see that they are cultural constructs.
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My feeling is that whatever the people do, they need to be aware that it will, if at all possible, be manipulated to benefit the leaders. A lot of what these people are doing is asking their government to do things for them. The government caused these problems, so why would they fix it if it's not in their interest? The boomer period was a time of spectacular improvement. Of course they want to turn back the clock, but it was never set up to last.
I certainly understand why you question it. I think many people are must sitting back and seeing what affect it has, if any. Which means it can never be seen to be effective in any way that is detrimental to government positions.
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There certainly are folks sitting back and keeping an eye on things. Revolutions are notorious for being effected by ~10% of populations or less. I am confident there are a lot of folks awaiting some significant act or government response before they are motivated to act, because that's human nature.
Why would government backtrack? It has given a little, but that's not been enough, and you're right that they won't, because they are on this path for reasons and those reasons haven't changed one bit. Either the French are going to effect the changes they need, or they are going to remain needy.
We'll see as things develop.
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Maybe you should have read @zoef, but he stopped writing, so read some of his old posts and their translations, if you wish. (Also, some 100 people lost their eyes (one), because the police were shooting with rubber bullets.) You know, those orchestrating the chaos are very smart, and those who don't live in spirit with them or their opposing group are but a speck of dust. And, those specks of dust dare to protest and demand anything. Once, not so long ago humans were allotted to the landowner and were not allowed to move to another town, and first Ottoman Turks were used by the oligarchs to slaughter the rioting peasants and when the oligarchs found that they won't last on their positions they used the peasants to fend off the Turks. Now you have to insert other namings.
After I read the Secret Covenant (it's on Biblioteca Pleiades) I just gave up on everything.
To me, it looks like Mahabharat 2.0 is approaching with all its technology in 2.0 version. They have all the technology to put everyone on Earth to sleep for eternity, so it surprises me that this nuisance called humans they have to deal with are still walking around. I really don't get it, do they want to have fun or do they - just so happens - still need humans.
I never understood why anyone would be an anarchist or like anarchy. How can you imagine production or delivery to function in anarchy? If you take a solar panel to picture a rough sketch, for instance, someone has to bring all the raw material to the point of production and then produce the solar panel, then establish points of sale, collect payments and also pay those who delivered the raw material. I like order, but not a fascistic or communistic type, or some other invention that hardly allows a person to breathe.
Pawns on the chessboard of the worldwide religion of the God KA$H...Nothing more.
Could be. I hope not. The French have upended things before.
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Why do all nation-states, even the obviously failed states such as Venezuela and Zimbabwe, maintain a court of law? The ignorant passions of those who perceive injustice can vent their grievances (and resources) in the byzantine legal matrix, rather than shedding blood on the streets, for redress of their complaints. Thus, the most civilized states of the world expend enormous resources in maintaining the perception of "independent" judiciary, "fair" legal outcomes, and "universally" applicable laws. Given this sociopolitical matrix, those who deviate from the expected avenues of grievance release can be easily categorized as malcontents and degenerates that need to be crushed beneath the jackboot of the internal security apparatus.
These "yellow vests" were unlicensed protesters, when they began their riots. Any competent political ruler would have responded with massive force to quell the potential uprising before it could grow and spread. Macron, obviously, is not competent, as he is nothing more than a glorified accountant. But the French bureaucrats are competent, and have channeled what could have been a bloody disorder, into the now organized, scheduled, expected gatherings of social discontents, conveniently on weekends when productive workers are not bothered. "Yellow vests" are not a movement, as much as it is a rock concert and a minor nuisance.
While destroying the protests with nominal force would have ended them, it would have had consequences that have been avoided. There seems to be significant populations that have confidence that government is merely misguided, and not venal profiteers. Such violent repression may well have backfired, and actual guillotines fired up, rather than merely the memes.
France does have significant armed 'peasants' despite the general disarming, enough to definitely heat things up and drag in the military - which has forewarned Macron that the primary cause of complaint of the hoi polloi is intolerable, unenforceable, and just not going to happen. Of course I mean the Migration Pact, rather than the carbon tax. The latter was just more palatable to protesters, who face significant cognitive dissonance over racial and cultural homogeneity issues.
Macron will have to replace his generals before he might find some that will lead the French military against it's citizens, and just as the US military would face ~50% desertion, saboteurs, and transfers of it's arsenal to civilians in such a scenario, the French do also.
As you point out, allowing the steam to blow off in relatively trivial acting up prevents morale from triggering actual revolution, which either significant concessions, or violent repression, would do.
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That's a good point. The chances are that people will get bored when nothing changes and see little point in turning up at the rallies. It could likely fizzle out given enough time.
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The French have a sort of traditional protest culture, centered on students, but also including several other demographics, like their teachers. Traditionally, when school breaks for the summer, protest season begins, and this is what Yellowjackets are expecting to happen.
May 22 IIRC (not looking at a calendar atm) is expected to usher in a new era, as the core working class component that has endured winter protests is boosted by fresh blood and good weather. Few of them are expecting swift results, and morale seems high, despite the injuries, MSM blackout (and French media disinfo), and lack of traction.
Only time, as you say, will tell.
That could be an interesting. I'll have to try and remember to keep any eye out. I didn't realise about the protest culture. I guess we're looking at seasoned protesters who know how to stay the course.
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Examples in history suggests that repression via overwhelming force is highly effective in quelling potential riots and revolts. Even in your recent US history provides clear evidence of ruling through the iron fist over "negotiating" with the ignorant muck. When Matin Luther King was assainated and race riots threated major US cities, the mayor of Detroit pled with the would be rioters resulting in his city burning to the ground, and Detroit becoming the ruin that it is today. The mayor of Chicago declared virtual martial law and informed would be rioters that they would be shot on sight; Chicago is a thriving metropolis today. Any ruler who would stoop to begging his rebellious subjects for peace ought to first slit his wife's throat and smother his children before attempting such suicidal insanity.
Men need to be governed, not coddled. France has in possession the best mercenary army in the world: Legion estrangere. Macron need not even muster native French soldiers to lockdown Paris. As for the French generals and officers, they are loyal to their paymasters in French bureaucracy and would be unwilling to risk their previleged position, in some high risk low reward gamble, by siding with disorganized mob of over-emotional rabble.
It is fortunate that the yellow vest protests will be nothing more than a footnote in obscure French historical trivia. Macron's incompetence may have saved gallons of French blood. Their next master may not be so accomodating, however.
I note the French are the source of particularly poignant quote regarding riots and repression: Let them eat cake.
The Bastille and bastinado do not always suppress dissent. The West is undergoing replacement, and is not simply unaware and complacent about it. Things will continue to develop, and we will see what comes of it. My expectation presently is that Macron has little interest in pressing harder, as long as the Yellow Vests don't.
LOL, weren't you the guy who said homosexuality was propaganda?
I said recently on chain that gender was a social construct, which is pretty similar. If you can point to a particular post or comment to refresh my memory, that would be great. Ok?
Better yet: Do you believe gay people exist in nature?
Oh, I'll see your identity politics and raise you hypersexuality. There are a few species which involve sexual intercourse in practically every societal function, and H. sapiens is one. From establishing dominance to seeking rent, people work the twerk to go along and get along. Sometimes people get so fixated and indoctrinated (most people, most of the time TBQH) that the biological fact of human hypersexuality has no part in their grasp of themselves and society.
People become acculturated to believe all sorts of things about themselves, sex, and the intersection between them. Some people call themselves gay and do everything in their power to prove it. Some people claim that homosexual acts are sins of the devil and seek to behead them or throw them off roofs. Some people convince their own little children to voluntarily sexually mutilate themselves so they can become sex toys for depraved pedophiles.
People are pretty easily deranged when instead of nominal education they're indoctrinated from birth to serve rentiers. Basically normal people are able to adopt whatever cultural norms are extant in the society they live in, and little is so flexible or basic to human societies as sexuality.
This is what I mean when I say gender is a social construct. Society is deeply affected by propaganda effected by rentiers for their own benefit, and rentiers have devised a cultural milieu to prevent people from being rational and able to strongly execute actions that benefit themselves and their communities in favor of serving the interests of rentiers. This includes being indoctrinated to call themselves gay.
There are also particular twists and turns of individual genetic makeup that really do result in hermaphroditism, or other such maladaptations. Very little of this actually eventuates, though. Less than one in a million if I had to hazard a guess. Such maladaptive mutations are so strongly subject to evolutionary forces that they literally cannot be passed to offspring - or at least couldn't prior to technology lending a hand.
To illustrate the difference between hypersexuality and the unique human cultural adaptibility that has been coopted by rentiers to advantage themselves, there aren't 'gay' bonobos or dolphins. There are just hypersexual bonobos and dolphins, that are still able to successfully form pair bonds and naturally breed - except for maladaptive mutations that quickly remove themselves from the genepool.
I see, so being gay and wanting to kill gay people are two sides of the same coin?
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Yes. Both are affects of society, rather than some kind of objective morality. Each of us imbibes our culture and ferments it in the bowels of our subconscious. Clever manipulators seek to create through that process factions that will pay them rent for their power. Others seek to tap or devour those streams of income, and dies are cast, lives are lost, hearts are broken, and families spawn the next generation of players, ready to sip or guzzle the ideals and mores of the communities they're born into, per their natures.
We are availed of examples of people that do both, such as Roy Cohn, or Jeffrey Dahmer. Were those traits structural components of people that were built in at birth, such contradictions couldn't exist. Since they do, we see that they are cultural constructs.
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