RE: For USA gays - Why have you not done this?
it's a cake, what does religion have to do with a cake? It's not a gay cake- it's a cake. When I get in the car, I don't gay drive, I just drive the car. Just bake the damn thing and move on with your life.
it would have been much cheaper if the business had just baked the damn thing and ranted about it on their Christian chatroom or something. Seriously, it's just a cake
If a Muslim refused to bake their cake, the same thing would have happened, so again, I don't understand this as a challenge. There's no alliance between the Muslim faith and the LGBTQ community. The only difference between Muslim faith and Christian faith, is that in America, Muslims and LGBTQ folk are a minority, so there's a shared struggle there. So yeah, sometimes, Muslims and queer folk get along. But mostly not. Same how most Christians don't get along with us.
You may not know this, but I'm queer and most LGBTQ people I know have no problem with Christianity or Muslims or Jewish folk. It's them that have the problem with us. We don't generally go seeking confrontation because we could literally lose our lives. There are people that want us dead and our heads are always on a swivel. So, no. I won't be doing this challenge.
You can't have a religious based business in America and use that business to discriminate against individuals based on sexual orientation or racial ethnicity. It's against the law. A business is part of the state, we have separation of church and state here; therefore, you pay taxes and are responsible to uphold the law. If you're a church, you don't pay taxes and can claim whatever religious privilege you want. That's how it works here. They broke the law.
I'm glad you told me, though I would not have said anything against gays, as half my friends are gay and they have been true friends, standing by me in my time of troubles.
The above was never meant to reflect in any way on gays. The original writer was using this as a way of illustrating that Christians get attacked for something like this, but muslims who throw gays off roof tops and openly say all gays must be executed, are treated as friends. If to score temporarily points, gays ally themselves with the enemies of Christianity, then the day will come when the pendulim swings the other way among Christians and they will find life has returned to the prejudices of the 1900's. I've had many discussions on this topic with my friends and they are angry at the gays for pushing and pushing (for instance, for the right to have sex with underage boys) and they ask me, can't they see that any decent person will see this as sick and will turn against all gays?
I won't carry on, it would be different if we were friends and sitting somewhere having a cappuccino, for then, even if I ask an insensitive question, you would know me well enough to know that I am just being curious and no malice was intended. Talking of which, one of my best friends and I were having a coffee and I asked whether I may ask a personal question. I then said that when I was young, I was scared of rejection if the girl was attractive, but then observed that it must have been ten times as difficult for him, as he grew up in the period when gay-bashing in South Africa was popular. I said, rejection must have been worse, for if the other was not interested, it meant you would lose him and your common friends. He burst into tears and told me I am the first straight who has ever shown him such understanding and talked about it for quite a long time - I realised he needed to get it out of his system, so I did not mind listening (anyway, I am always interested in learning how other people think and feel). When I started writing Little Cherine, Robert was sort of intolerant of gays, well tolerant of them publicly, but not in his prejudiced way he viewed them privately. For instance, as more people become gays, he comments on the fact that here are no gay Cherinians. He has a daughter, Samantha, who does not allow him to hide behind his finger and she attacks him, telling him that just because it happens that they, as a family, have no gay friends, it does not mean no gays are suitable to be accpted as Cherinians. Robert tries to retreat and save his dignity by answering he meant that he thinks that by Cherinians coming into contact with their healers, they are healed of being gay - and Samantha becomes furious with him. Many years later it turns out that Rbert was both right and wrong. Those who became gay because of the chemicals in our food, for instance, some of them do revert to being 'straight', though most of them choose to be bi-sexual, since years lived as a gay do affect them even when their healer has corrected chemical inbalances.
In oher words, I have also been troubled by my own beliefs, just how real is my tolerance and so on. What I write in my story about gays, I always run it by my gay friends (the more open ones) and not one of them has been upset by what I write, so hopefully I am more broadminded than I think I am.
Just to be clear- I wasn't upset at your post. I was just confused. I guess, after reading your reply, I'm still confused, but that's okay. I try to understand other people's perspectives, so that's what I'm trying to do. But I also want to explain my perspective.
I guess what I'm trying to tell you though, is that Christians aren't being attacked by the LGBTQ community. It's not an attack. We don't meet up and go "Hey man, let's go rough up that cake shop and run them out of business." It doesn't work that way.
You have gay men and lesbian woman and trans people of every color and creed just trying to live their lives- just trying to buy a cake and suddenly they're met with malice. At first, the cake shop was fine making the cake until they learned it was for a gay wedding. They made a conscious decision at that point to be discriminatory and that's wrong.
And you're right, Islam is just as hateful against queer folk as Christianity is. And trust me, no one in the LGBTQ community, a community I've been a part of for most of my life, wants ANY religion have sway over their lifestyle, whether it's Christian of Muslim. Trust me, it's not true. Like I said before, the gay community and Muslims are both minorities, so there's a shared struggle there- we both understand what it's like. But that's where the similarities end. There's a reason the majority of LGBTQ people aren't religious, because we're not accepted there. So to say there's an alliance between the gay community and Islam is just false. It's nothing more than an excuse for the shrinking majority of religion -- all religions -- in America, to point at us and say, "there's the problem."
I think a lot of Christian people believe they're being attacked because they see their lifestyle, their perception of morality, being reduced to a minority in America. But that's not an attack, that's progress. That's the natural evolution of America. More people are looking to science and fact than to scripture to find the answers they seek in life. And I don't know what to say to a person that thinks that's a bad thing, because it's not. And I don't claim to know what you believe, but I'd hope that you could see the logic behind what I'm trying to say. And I'm always happy to explain things about LGBTQ issues with someone, because awareness is a good thing and that's how we turn hate into love. And love is always the better choice.
Yes, you did ,isunderstand the meme (if that is what it is).
This was not an attack on the gays, I would even venture to say it is not an attack against muslims, as much as it is against the Main Stream Media and globalists. They are saying that if an American gay couple go to a muslim bakery and they are refused, the MSM and the Democrats would stand up for the rights of the Muslims to refuse the gays. To try and also slant it against the Islamist extremists, I added the bit about going to a muslim restaurant.
The enemies of ALL mankind, are not the islamists, not even their terrorists, they are a problem the West can handle, once they make the decision. It is the globalist and elite cabals that want the world depopulated from 7.6billion to half a billion. Not ver generations, they want it to happen over 3 to 5 years.
If I end up treading on toes in my efforts to cause the cabals damage, I'm sorry, but I still believe the prime defence and attack must continue, for I cannot bear the thought of so many people being made sick and dying for the evil cabal to inherit the world. Genetically, they are not even the best of us and I would love to see them, in the thousands, removed from their positions and locked away, so that they do not breed.