Alex Jones does. Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones of Infowars speculates that the Dow Jones drop might have been a false flag perpetrated by big banks like Goldman Sachs; many of his viewers agree
What do you mean you can't have it both ways? Not saying this is the case but for fuck sake you can easily have it both ways. For example if you have a good cryptocurrency gaining value due to great devs and then you get a hostile dump from someone holding a lot of it. The devs are responsible for that dump? Are you really that stupid?
Unregulated capitalism is a pyramid scheme... ok you are fuckin mental dude. You are free to see how your amazing regulation work in Poland where the whole country is designed so that you can steal public money. You have no clue... no fuckin clue.
The regulations create bribes and that is what causes the redistribution of wealth to the top and not a free market. In any corrupt country you can see that. Free market is not perfect but gives the same chances for everyone (with the same starting point).
If it isn’t perfectly obvious to you that there is an orchestrated movement against Trump, even when it’s to the detriment of America’s economic well being, then you simply haven't been paying attention. Trump can’t win for winning. Also, the shenanigans that their pulling right now, will only be a temporary market manipulation that will work to their benefit in two ways. They can have the short-lived satisfaction that they’ve weakened Trump’s trump card, which is the economy, while simultaneously capitalizing off of the hit that the market just took. Even the people who initiated this, don’t want to sustain it, they simply want to capitalize off of it, in the short term. Their hand would have been far more impressive had it been done prior to the SOTU address, timing is everything, and they even managed to fumble that.
I don't think that I could agree with you more.... everything you said rings 100% true. They have been trying to crucify him from the start an no matter what he does - they will always find a bad angle for it. The establishment represents a dark cloud that is looming over us - conservative and libertarian voices are trying to keep the cloud away, but it's like a major storm that keeps picking up pace - you can see it everyday in the news as they make wrong into right and make right into wrong.... those who give us hope are called bigots, those who want justice are called racists, those who want family values are called homophobes. I t's like the system itself is turning against people in general - and then they use the media to convince people that EVERYONE thinks that way so as to stiffle the silent majority. Those who are awake can see it plain as day - it really almost couldn't be more obvious - it is right in our faces! but those still tied up in Plato's Cave are happy to see the shadows cause the real light is too blinding...
Also - this market manipulation is exactly what they want as it rips the money from the hands of the people and puts it right back into their own pockets - keeping citizens dependent on the system of a psychopathic government that prints its own money, lives by it's own set of rules, and is allowed to rob citizens at gunpoint - something that would never be permitted by any citizen , yet is somehow bestowed upon our greedy power lusting government.
The move also did a pretty good job at distracting from the butthurt look on the faces of the Congressional Black Caucus after learning that "the lowest recorded level ever, of black unemployment", occurred during Trump's first year in office.
Instead of claiming things to be "perfectly obvious," where is the evidence behind your claim? Before jumping to a conclusion, look at how many sellers were involved on the day the slide started. If you can show that only a small number of investment banks were selling huge quantities of stock all at the same time, you might have a leg to stand on.
Now, even if that were the case, they might have done it for a very good reason, like closing out of leveraged positions that were going south (like the incredibly risky "inverse VIX" trade). And even if that were the case, why was the entire market so spooked to trigger further sell-off? Could it have been the sudden spike in the interest rate and the potential for inflation? Could it have been that the rise of market prices (DJIA) was starting to look parabolic recently, which is a sign that people are getting too speculative and complacent about risk?
It's sad when political partisans jump to conclusions without even one piece of objective data.
The first line of the comment that you are referencing was a general statement, unrelated to the market drop. Yet, I do indeed suspect that market shenanigans are responsible for the drop. I can not prove this, so for now it simply a conspiracy theory, but lets not pretend their aren't marketplace conspiracies happening on a daily basis. Hell, the very nature of the Federal Reserve note has been a conspiracy against the American people, to rob them of their wealth, and enslave them to a control system that is almost impossible to escape from, sans a bloody revolution. Can you theorize a way in which this recent drop may have been manufactured? If the plunge protection team can prevent a market catastrophe, what is to say an inverse of that system could not generate one?
Well, the first line of your comment did include the phrase "to the detriment of America’s economic well being," and since the only thing that went down recently was the American stock market (followed by declines on the stock markets of other countries), it's hard to understand your reply.
A lot of people (market experts) are still struggling trying to determine the causes of the decline. For all the theories out there, it could be something simple: everyone knew the market was getting oversold with so many stocks having price-to-earnings ratios above their historic highs. And it just took a slight nudge for people to say, "okay, I'm cashing out while I can." If there are far more sellers in the market than buyers, prices drop. That's just simple "supply and demand" theory from Econ 101. And the "nudge" could have been the sudden uptick on the 10 year Treasury note with a possible early sign of inflation (from a report on wages). Compound that with the fact that a new Fed chairman just came in, and no one will know what the heck his policies are until he gives his first speech near the end of the month. Does he think it more important to fight deflation? Or does he fear inflation more? It makes sense that the herd could get spooked and stampede.
I generally don't embrace conspiracy theories. They are usually concocted by people who don't understand, but want to pretend they understand. Like Alex Jones. He's just a big bag of wind.
As for the Fed, it does a lot of good, too. We can disagree with some things, but overall, it's managed to pull us out of the Great Recession on monetary policy alone ... no small trick, considering the fact that fiscal policy was nonexistent because of a Congress that has been asleep at the switch. Better to play politics like football team rivalries than discuss individual policies and laws on their merits! LOL
I can see now why you may have inferred that. I knew in my mind that the attack on Trump would ceaselessly continue, if not even be bolstered by the drop in the market.
I had this inner dialogue, it in part made its way to the screen while typing, and deep in thought about his reference to: "the lowest recorded level ever of black unemployment" to which the CBC responded to with cold faced-emptiness. His critics seem to want him out, even when it’s to the detriment of America’s economic well being.
The coordinated effort, and lack of respect that this president has been given is for the most part, unprecedented. As far as the market is concerned, in my mind it’s always been a fiat currency propping up a house of cards. Our go-to trick move, when facing the threat of losing market dominance, is to kill a foreign leader, bomb his country and reestablish their dependence on the petrodollar.
The slavery that the central bank has this country in is quite the predicament. There’s not enough money in circulation to cover the debt because the entire system is based on hyperinflation. Therefore in order to clear the balance sheet. We’d have to borrow from the fed money that hasn’t been printed yet, in order to pay them back, and that would simply put us in further debt to the fed.
I don’t know if any of this resonated, but if it did, maybe you’d be interested in this or this. Good chat, it will be interesting if we can ever find out with certainty.
I totally disagree. The establishment was very much anti-Trump until they saw he was just another obedient waterboy. Now they are all laughing themselves together all the way to the bank.
The year long bull rally that took place in 2017 had very little to do with Donald Trump, and the recent correction was simply a combination of profit taking and effects of inflation due to rising interest rates. The American market has been on the rise for the past 4 years, and 2017 was a bullish year due to rapid advancement in technology and investor confidence surrounding a likely Tax cut that would come from Congress. People forget that the budgets and tax policies are made by the legislative branch, the POTUS can only influence them through the bully pulpit.
The Federal Reserve has been intentionally keeping interests rates at near zero since the financial crisis, and now that the economy has been deemed healthy, they will begin to rise. This can already be felt when you see the USD has begun to inflate in value, which has a massive effect on the equities market because REAL dollar value begins to shrink off the bottom line due to inflation. It's the reason that most Wall Street investors literally short-sell the currencies in the markets where their equities are because it will protect against inflation. The small gains that the middle class will feel from the Ryan tax plan will also get eaten by inflation. There is no grand conspiracy here, it is simply inevitable because the dollar has been falsely held at a much higher value due to Federal Reserve policies.
That's true too, but they we're artificially suppressing the correction for Obama, and strategically allowing it, to try and hurt Trump. With poor timing at that.
I think the fact that it came AFTER the SOTU address is our clue that they were not responsible for manipulating it ( so overtly .... obviously the market is manipulated on a regular basis by people like "marker makers") and such but I think that the market was too high to begin with . Anyone who has been investing for any length of time will tell you that a stock cannot continue to go up and up and up so quickly without a market correction - it's simply a matter of profit taking - when a market gets to certain point - investors believe that it cannot sustain and "taking profits" by selling their inventory - typically moving it into a stock that still has room to grow - this way they capture their gains - limit their losses ... and still have money in play.
You can only watch the market go so high before you realize that it cant sustain much longer - same exact thing happened with BTC , and I told everyone that there was no way it could stay that high .. and now look at things... people sell off our of fear , greed, or because they already picked an exit point... but I think the correction was a natural response to a market that rose to high , too quickly and that people will go right back into it -
what I don't hear anyone talking about is that the very next day the market regained 50% of its losses and was one of the biggest trading gains in recent history - but the media doesn't want you to know that - they want you to think that Trump broke the stock market ...
Maybe so, or maybe whatever he said during his SOTU address triggered some powerful people. There's no way to be absolutely certain this early on, retrospectively though it might be possible to figure out some of the more fine points of which specific financial moves caused this to happen. It's almost as if someone triggered the inverse of plunge protection just long enough to prove a point. I have a feeling if this was the case, there will be blow back that lands right on their heads. Time will tell, maybe.
I stated that it was a market correction and not a false flag against Trump. Yes, I agree, the market made an amazing climb back up, and I did mention that aspect on a different social media platform.
The more likely culprit is a terrible financial instrument that was hiding risk. Faced with an environment of small returns and a flat yield curve, some investors got a little too clever and started playing around with some dangerous derivatives related to the "inverse VIX." To make the situation worse, they borrowed money (leveraged investing) to buy these questionable financial products.
There are reasons that explain why the stock market flaked out recently, and these reasons have nothing to do with Trump. The stock market drop doesn't make Trump look bad, because he wasn't even a player in this game. He was basically irrelevant.
That said, the reasons for the bull market that we've enjoyed over the last nine years come from events that occurred long before Trump, and it's laughable for him to try taking credit for it.
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What do you mean you can't have it both ways? Not saying this is the case but for fuck sake you can easily have it both ways. For example if you have a good cryptocurrency gaining value due to great devs and then you get a hostile dump from someone holding a lot of it. The devs are responsible for that dump? Are you really that stupid?
Unregulated capitalism is a pyramid scheme... ok you are fuckin mental dude. You are free to see how your amazing regulation work in Poland where the whole country is designed so that you can steal public money. You have no clue... no fuckin clue.
I'm not sure I understand your argument, if there is one.
The regulations create bribes and that is what causes the redistribution of wealth to the top and not a free market. In any corrupt country you can see that. Free market is not perfect but gives the same chances for everyone (with the same starting point).
Yeah, because big corporate interests absolutely hate Trump, right?
Yeah, at its base, the theory makes no sense whatsoever
If it isn’t perfectly obvious to you that there is an orchestrated movement against Trump, even when it’s to the detriment of America’s economic well being, then you simply haven't been paying attention. Trump can’t win for winning. Also, the shenanigans that their pulling right now, will only be a temporary market manipulation that will work to their benefit in two ways. They can have the short-lived satisfaction that they’ve weakened Trump’s trump card, which is the economy, while simultaneously capitalizing off of the hit that the market just took. Even the people who initiated this, don’t want to sustain it, they simply want to capitalize off of it, in the short term. Their hand would have been far more impressive had it been done prior to the SOTU address, timing is everything, and they even managed to fumble that.
I don't think that I could agree with you more.... everything you said rings 100% true. They have been trying to crucify him from the start an no matter what he does - they will always find a bad angle for it. The establishment represents a dark cloud that is looming over us - conservative and libertarian voices are trying to keep the cloud away, but it's like a major storm that keeps picking up pace - you can see it everyday in the news as they make wrong into right and make right into wrong.... those who give us hope are called bigots, those who want justice are called racists, those who want family values are called homophobes. I t's like the system itself is turning against people in general - and then they use the media to convince people that EVERYONE thinks that way so as to stiffle the silent majority. Those who are awake can see it plain as day - it really almost couldn't be more obvious - it is right in our faces! but those still tied up in Plato's Cave are happy to see the shadows cause the real light is too blinding...
Also - this market manipulation is exactly what they want as it rips the money from the hands of the people and puts it right back into their own pockets - keeping citizens dependent on the system of a psychopathic government that prints its own money, lives by it's own set of rules, and is allowed to rob citizens at gunpoint - something that would never be permitted by any citizen , yet is somehow bestowed upon our greedy power lusting government.
The move also did a pretty good job at distracting from the butthurt look on the faces of the Congressional Black Caucus after learning that "the lowest recorded level ever, of black unemployment", occurred during Trump's first year in office.
Well said.
Instead of claiming things to be "perfectly obvious," where is the evidence behind your claim? Before jumping to a conclusion, look at how many sellers were involved on the day the slide started. If you can show that only a small number of investment banks were selling huge quantities of stock all at the same time, you might have a leg to stand on.
Now, even if that were the case, they might have done it for a very good reason, like closing out of leveraged positions that were going south (like the incredibly risky "inverse VIX" trade). And even if that were the case, why was the entire market so spooked to trigger further sell-off? Could it have been the sudden spike in the interest rate and the potential for inflation? Could it have been that the rise of market prices (DJIA) was starting to look parabolic recently, which is a sign that people are getting too speculative and complacent about risk?
It's sad when political partisans jump to conclusions without even one piece of objective data.
The first line of the comment that you are referencing was a general statement, unrelated to the market drop. Yet, I do indeed suspect that market shenanigans are responsible for the drop. I can not prove this, so for now it simply a conspiracy theory, but lets not pretend their aren't marketplace conspiracies happening on a daily basis. Hell, the very nature of the Federal Reserve note has been a conspiracy against the American people, to rob them of their wealth, and enslave them to a control system that is almost impossible to escape from, sans a bloody revolution. Can you theorize a way in which this recent drop may have been manufactured? If the plunge protection team can prevent a market catastrophe, what is to say an inverse of that system could not generate one?
Well, the first line of your comment did include the phrase "to the detriment of America’s economic well being," and since the only thing that went down recently was the American stock market (followed by declines on the stock markets of other countries), it's hard to understand your reply.
A lot of people (market experts) are still struggling trying to determine the causes of the decline. For all the theories out there, it could be something simple: everyone knew the market was getting oversold with so many stocks having price-to-earnings ratios above their historic highs. And it just took a slight nudge for people to say, "okay, I'm cashing out while I can." If there are far more sellers in the market than buyers, prices drop. That's just simple "supply and demand" theory from Econ 101. And the "nudge" could have been the sudden uptick on the 10 year Treasury note with a possible early sign of inflation (from a report on wages). Compound that with the fact that a new Fed chairman just came in, and no one will know what the heck his policies are until he gives his first speech near the end of the month. Does he think it more important to fight deflation? Or does he fear inflation more? It makes sense that the herd could get spooked and stampede.
I generally don't embrace conspiracy theories. They are usually concocted by people who don't understand, but want to pretend they understand. Like Alex Jones. He's just a big bag of wind.
As for the Fed, it does a lot of good, too. We can disagree with some things, but overall, it's managed to pull us out of the Great Recession on monetary policy alone ... no small trick, considering the fact that fiscal policy was nonexistent because of a Congress that has been asleep at the switch. Better to play politics like football team rivalries than discuss individual policies and laws on their merits! LOL
I can see now why you may have inferred that. I knew in my mind that the attack on Trump would ceaselessly continue, if not even be bolstered by the drop in the market.
I had this inner dialogue, it in part made its way to the screen while typing, and deep in thought about his reference to: "the lowest recorded level ever of black unemployment" to which the CBC responded to with cold faced-emptiness. His critics seem to want him out, even when it’s to the detriment of America’s economic well being.
The coordinated effort, and lack of respect that this president has been given is for the most part, unprecedented. As far as the market is concerned, in my mind it’s always been a fiat currency propping up a house of cards. Our go-to trick move, when facing the threat of losing market dominance, is to kill a foreign leader, bomb his country and reestablish their dependence on the petrodollar.
The slavery that the central bank has this country in is quite the predicament. There’s not enough money in circulation to cover the debt because the entire system is based on hyperinflation. Therefore in order to clear the balance sheet. We’d have to borrow from the fed money that hasn’t been printed yet, in order to pay them back, and that would simply put us in further debt to the fed.
I don’t know if any of this resonated, but if it did, maybe you’d be interested in this or this. Good chat, it will be interesting if we can ever find out with certainty.
I totally disagree. The establishment was very much anti-Trump until they saw he was just another obedient waterboy. Now they are all laughing themselves together all the way to the bank.
The year long bull rally that took place in 2017 had very little to do with Donald Trump, and the recent correction was simply a combination of profit taking and effects of inflation due to rising interest rates. The American market has been on the rise for the past 4 years, and 2017 was a bullish year due to rapid advancement in technology and investor confidence surrounding a likely Tax cut that would come from Congress. People forget that the budgets and tax policies are made by the legislative branch, the POTUS can only influence them through the bully pulpit.
The Federal Reserve has been intentionally keeping interests rates at near zero since the financial crisis, and now that the economy has been deemed healthy, they will begin to rise. This can already be felt when you see the USD has begun to inflate in value, which has a massive effect on the equities market because REAL dollar value begins to shrink off the bottom line due to inflation. It's the reason that most Wall Street investors literally short-sell the currencies in the markets where their equities are because it will protect against inflation. The small gains that the middle class will feel from the Ryan tax plan will also get eaten by inflation. There is no grand conspiracy here, it is simply inevitable because the dollar has been falsely held at a much higher value due to Federal Reserve policies.
Lol the stock market is more than due for a a real correction its been running on inflated confidence for years
This wasn't even a full correction, just a blip in otherwise incredibly unsustainable growth.
That's true too, but they we're artificially suppressing the correction for Obama, and strategically allowing it, to try and hurt Trump. With poor timing at that.
I dont think it works like that, there are allot of players the us vs them mentality is pretty simplistic way to view Walstreet.
Look into the 'Working Group on Financial Markets' (aka the Plunge Protection Team).
No, I do not believe the market correction was a conspiracy or a false flag against Trump. If so, that was quite an elaborate scheme, lol.
I think the fact that it came AFTER the SOTU address is our clue that they were not responsible for manipulating it ( so overtly .... obviously the market is manipulated on a regular basis by people like "marker makers") and such but I think that the market was too high to begin with . Anyone who has been investing for any length of time will tell you that a stock cannot continue to go up and up and up so quickly without a market correction - it's simply a matter of profit taking - when a market gets to certain point - investors believe that it cannot sustain and "taking profits" by selling their inventory - typically moving it into a stock that still has room to grow - this way they capture their gains - limit their losses ... and still have money in play.
You can only watch the market go so high before you realize that it cant sustain much longer - same exact thing happened with BTC , and I told everyone that there was no way it could stay that high .. and now look at things... people sell off our of fear , greed, or because they already picked an exit point... but I think the correction was a natural response to a market that rose to high , too quickly and that people will go right back into it -
what I don't hear anyone talking about is that the very next day the market regained 50% of its losses and was one of the biggest trading gains in recent history - but the media doesn't want you to know that - they want you to think that Trump broke the stock market ...
Maybe so, or maybe whatever he said during his SOTU address triggered some powerful people. There's no way to be absolutely certain this early on, retrospectively though it might be possible to figure out some of the more fine points of which specific financial moves caused this to happen. It's almost as if someone triggered the inverse of plunge protection just long enough to prove a point. I have a feeling if this was the case, there will be blow back that lands right on their heads. Time will tell, maybe.
I stated that it was a market correction and not a false flag against Trump. Yes, I agree, the market made an amazing climb back up, and I did mention that aspect on a different social media platform.
Was there also not an orchestrated Facebook pump and dump. Before, and directly after it went public?
Totally, the whole system is rigged.
The more likely culprit is a terrible financial instrument that was hiding risk. Faced with an environment of small returns and a flat yield curve, some investors got a little too clever and started playing around with some dangerous derivatives related to the "inverse VIX." To make the situation worse, they borrowed money (leveraged investing) to buy these questionable financial products.
There are reasons that explain why the stock market flaked out recently, and these reasons have nothing to do with Trump. The stock market drop doesn't make Trump look bad, because he wasn't even a player in this game. He was basically irrelevant.
That said, the reasons for the bull market that we've enjoyed over the last nine years come from events that occurred long before Trump, and it's laughable for him to try taking credit for it.