I don't think the fear of the death penalty will serve as a deterrent for people committing crimes, at least unless it becomes a punishment for crimes that aren't nearly as severe as the things that warrant the death sentence today, and even then, it probably wouldn't work.
Let's leave Asian countries out of this for now and look at the rest of the world, people who receive the capital punishment are often perpetrators of terrible crimes which almost exclusively includes cold blooded murder and because a judge and jury decides that they aren't fit to remain in society lest they do it again, they are sentenced to death. The death penalty has been around for years and I don't think it's reduced crime rates anywhere seeing as most murderers don't usually have the fear of death at the back of their mind when they are committing the crime.
Now let's bring back Asian countries like China, Singapore and Malaysia where the death penalty is handed down if you're caught and convicted of anything from corruption to drug trafficking. Statistics have shown that since these countries began dishing out the capital punishment, the crime rate hasn't dropped, in fact people have only learned more efficient ways to commit these crimes without being caught.
At best I think it could help reduce corruption if it was implemented across the world with corruption being one of the crimes that are punishable by death, but I say this because I'd be scared silly of taking a bribe if I knew I could get killed for it, and this is based on my opinion and not cold hard facts.
If we're talking based on facts and statistics from around the world, then I don't think it should be implemented world wide, be it war or be it capital punishment, nobody should have the right to take another man's life, besides if it's not going to help prevent someone else from committing the same crime then there's no point in doing it. Indonesia did it and the number of people who used drugs didn't reduce, it increased, firmly proving that the death sentence doesn't reduce crime rates in any way.
Well as I said in the initial post, I agree that it might not act as a deterrent and for the same reasons.
However I am continually baffled by the assertion it does not reduce crime rates.
How is that not possible? I showed a mathematical explanation to my thinking, where do you find fault with that?
If anything crime rates would be even higher than they are today if these criminals were allowed to re-offend.
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besides if it's not going to help prevent someone else from committing the same crime then there's no point in doing it.
There is a point, there is only 1 person doing it, not two. It definitely will not prevent another person from committing the same crime as we both agree it fails as a deterrent, however where it cannot be argued is that will prevent the executed from committing that same crime again.
Right there we have reduced the rate
You make it sound like if the death penalty is removed then people that are meant to receive the capital punishment will be set free. If you escape the death penalty then the next thing that follows is life imprisonment.
How can the person commit the crime again if they're behind bars??
Secondly your logic is flawed,you make it sound like people that commit murder and are convicted receive jail time, are let out, get convicted again, receive more jail time, are let out and do the same thing again but if you're a second offender for a crime like murder, it's either death or life imprisonment. You also didn't mention the gravity of the offence which would require a person to be put to death, but I assume it's murder. If a person commits murder and is convicted of it then sentenced to death and it's miraculously overturned then the person isn't going to leave prison, I'm pretty sure people like that get life sentence without the possibility of parole and that means their never getting out.
Oh and what happens when a person is actually innocent of the crime?? Do they get justice from the grave??
Going by your logic, if one person is given the death penalty then it reduces the total number of people that commit crimes and thus the crime rate reduces as well but if they're in jail then how are they supposed to commit these crimes??? Yes prisons are overpopulated but does that mean that we should solve it by handing out death sentences like their gift cards????
Finally, this question was
Should death penalty be implemented across the globe? ?
Do you think its presence will reduce crime rates? What would be the standard to condemn someone?
Going by your logic, its presence reduces crime rates, and going by that same logic so does life imprisonment. I'm not against the death penalty or anything, but if we're using it to reduce crime rates, then I don't think it's the best way forward, all you're doing is taking a life, maybe it's one that deserves to be taken, but as far as the crime rate goes, it won't affect it in anyway.
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I don't think the fear of the death penalty will serve as a deterrent for people committing crimes, at least unless it becomes a punishment for crimes that aren't nearly as severe as the things that warrant the death sentence today, and even then, it probably wouldn't work.
Let's leave Asian countries out of this for now and look at the rest of the world, people who receive the capital punishment are often perpetrators of terrible crimes which almost exclusively includes cold blooded murder and because a judge and jury decides that they aren't fit to remain in society lest they do it again, they are sentenced to death. The death penalty has been around for years and I don't think it's reduced crime rates anywhere seeing as most murderers don't usually have the fear of death at the back of their mind when they are committing the crime.
Now let's bring back Asian countries like China, Singapore and Malaysia where the death penalty is handed down if you're caught and convicted of anything from corruption to drug trafficking. Statistics have shown that since these countries began dishing out the capital punishment, the crime rate hasn't dropped, in fact people have only learned more efficient ways to commit these crimes without being caught.
At best I think it could help reduce corruption if it was implemented across the world with corruption being one of the crimes that are punishable by death, but I say this because I'd be scared silly of taking a bribe if I knew I could get killed for it, and this is based on my opinion and not cold hard facts.
If we're talking based on facts and statistics from around the world, then I don't think it should be implemented world wide, be it war or be it capital punishment, nobody should have the right to take another man's life, besides if it's not going to help prevent someone else from committing the same crime then there's no point in doing it. Indonesia did it and the number of people who used drugs didn't reduce, it increased, firmly proving that the death sentence doesn't reduce crime rates in any way.
I hope this helps.
Well as I said in the initial post, I agree that it might not act as a deterrent and for the same reasons.
However I am continually baffled by the assertion it does not reduce crime rates.
How is that not possible? I showed a mathematical explanation to my thinking, where do you find fault with that?
If anything crime rates would be even higher than they are today if these criminals were allowed to re-offend.
You wrote:
besides if it's not going to help prevent someone else from committing the same crime then there's no point in doing it.
There is a point, there is only 1 person doing it, not two. It definitely will not prevent another person from committing the same crime as we both agree it fails as a deterrent, however where it cannot be argued is that will prevent the executed from committing that same crime again.
Right there we have reduced the rate
You make it sound like if the death penalty is removed then people that are meant to receive the capital punishment will be set free. If you escape the death penalty then the next thing that follows is life imprisonment.
How can the person commit the crime again if they're behind bars??
Secondly your logic is flawed,you make it sound like people that commit murder and are convicted receive jail time, are let out, get convicted again, receive more jail time, are let out and do the same thing again but if you're a second offender for a crime like murder, it's either death or life imprisonment. You also didn't mention the gravity of the offence which would require a person to be put to death, but I assume it's murder. If a person commits murder and is convicted of it then sentenced to death and it's miraculously overturned then the person isn't going to leave prison, I'm pretty sure people like that get life sentence without the possibility of parole and that means their never getting out.
Oh and what happens when a person is actually innocent of the crime?? Do they get justice from the grave??
Going by your logic, if one person is given the death penalty then it reduces the total number of people that commit crimes and thus the crime rate reduces as well but if they're in jail then how are they supposed to commit these crimes??? Yes prisons are overpopulated but does that mean that we should solve it by handing out death sentences like their gift cards????
Finally, this question was
Should death penalty be implemented across the globe? ?
Do you think its presence will reduce crime rates? What would be the standard to condemn someone?
Going by your logic, its presence reduces crime rates, and going by that same logic so does life imprisonment. I'm not against the death penalty or anything, but if we're using it to reduce crime rates, then I don't think it's the best way forward, all you're doing is taking a life, maybe it's one that deserves to be taken, but as far as the crime rate goes, it won't affect it in anyway.
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