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RE: Good people doing evil things scare the hell out of me!
Are you opposed to people eating animals and animal products they have husbanded themselves?
Are you opposed to people eating animals and animal products they have husbanded themselves?
Would that be harm reduction?
I see things (and wrote this)) from a personal standpoint, not from a standpoint of judging (or approving of) others and their actions.
So the only question I can really answer is would I 'husband' and eat other animals, but you already know the answer to that.
What I was really going for with this post was to express how it feels to see family and friends, otherwise decent people, doing what I consider terrible things, and not considering them terrible. It makes me ask if I'm like them, doing terrible things, and considering them totally acceptable.
I don't want to think I'm going down the right road, only to regret every step later, when I find out it was the wrong way.
I don't want to pile on any more regrets.
The most hopelessly enslaved is the one who falsely believes himself to be free. I don't want anymore false beliefs causing me to remain enslaved.
It's hard to believe that you're not really judging other peoples' decisions when you make statements like this.
Let me rephrase the question: Do you think it is unethical to eat animals outside of (presumably wild) animals attained by hunting? And are people who eat non-hunted animal meat guilty of a crime?
"It's hard to believe that you're not really judging"
I said I didn't write the post from a standpoint of judging, not that I never judge. We're all judging on a regular basis, it's impossible not to, and perfectly healthy. It's how we decide how to act - by judging people and situations.
If there's any other judgment implied, it's in the same way I'm judging a human who murders another human and eats them. Almost all the harm in killing a human is present in the killing of a pig, dog, goat, etc. Somehow, many people see one as terrible (worthy of punishment by life in prison or death), and one as completely fine. I see a very thin line between the two acts. I judge that needlessly killing humans is only marginally worse than needlessly killing other animals. It's just my opinion, of course. Nobody knows for sure what right and wrong actually are. We have to do the best we can with finite ideas and words. Your own judgments form your own opinion.
Also keep in mind the quote you selected is specifically talking about the 'crime' of contributing to the factory farming of billions of sentient mammals, not a broader meaning.
"Do you think it is unethical to eat animals outside of (presumably wild) animals attained by hunting?"
I consider it unethical to contribute to the factory farming of mammals, and probably birds, too.
We no longer eat them to survive, we farm them for pleasure and profit, and they suffer in many ways just as deeply as humans. I don't see how anyone sees it as ethical in any way.
I may be a little early in my thinking about this, but I don't think I'm wrong. Definitely appreciate the discussion though, the more the better.
I guess you could answer the opposite of your own question: Is it ethical to farm and eat animals the way we do today?