Some good points there. I'm glad I was mostly brought up in an environment free from indoctrination though even being homeschooled/unschooled I still got a healthy dose of indoctrination from all my friends and family, so.. While I may be more curious or aware than average I'm still half way stuck in the world of predesigned limitations and understandings.

Some of the examples you mentioned make me wonder what reality really is even more? I've heard of them before but you reminding me of them is poignant and fitting for this discussion. It does seem like what many people believe is real is an agreement they never consciously really knew they agreed to. Definitely interesting to think about.