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RE: Never trust a survey where you don’t know the question

in #life • 7 years ago

It would have been nice to know the two questions so we can compare them and see exactly how it worked. If the trick is not translatable then the german originals. There are enough german speakers here to understand and explain.

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     7 years ago (edited)

    I would find it hard to translate the nuances without a lot of time. This is the government question:

    "Die Bundesregierung plant ein Gesetz zur Sperrung von kinderpornografischen Seiten im Internet. Kritiker befürchten eine Zensur und bezweifeln die Wirksamkeit solcher Sperren. Befürworter betonen dagegen, dass solche Sperren eine sinnvolle und wirksame Maßnahme im Kampf gegen die Verbreitung solcher Bilder sind. Wie sehen Sie das: Sind Sie für ein Gesetz zur Sperrung kinderpornografischer Seiten im Internet oder dagegen?"

    And this is MOGIS:

    http://mogis.wikia.com/wiki/InfratestDimapUmfrage

    Die Bundesregierung plant ein Gesetz zur Sperrung von Internetseiten
    mit kinderpornographischen Inhalten. In der Öffentlichkeit gibt es
    hierzu verschiedene Meinungen. Welcher der folgenden Meinungen stimmen
    Sie zu? (Randomvorlage)
    A) Der Zugang zu Internetseiten mit Kinderpornographie sollte durch
    eine Sperre erschwert werden, das reicht aus, auch wenn die Seiten
    selbst dann noch vorhanden und für jederman erreichbar sind.
    B) Internetseiten mit Kinderpornographie sollten konsequent gelöscht und
    die Betreiber strafrechtlich verfolgt werden.
    C) Internetseiten mit Kinderpornographie sollten im Internet frei
    zugänglich sein, es muss jeder selbst wissen, was er sich anschaut.

    As you can see, if you understand German, the MOGIS one gives 3 possibilities, including what they mean, what the result would be, while the government one gives themselve a "strong" base and the adverseries a weak, without mentioning e.g. that even with the proposed stop signs the child porn would not go away.

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     7 years ago 

    I see. The government used a false dichotomy to force the result they wanted.

    The difference:

    MOGIS points out the a filter is not perfect and only makes it more difficult to access the page. The third option is: delete the pages and sue the operator.

    But here MOGIS cheats as well: Depending on where the page is hosted it might not be possible to delete the pages and sue the operator.

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      But here MOGIS cheats as well: Depending on where the page is hosted it might not be possible to delete the pages and sue the operator.

      Yes, but to every rule there is an exeption.

      This was also tested, and even back then - 9 years ago - it was possible to delete such pages even in "backwater countries" for 90% in one day and nearly 99% after a week, not even using legal threats but just alarming teh hoster (which the filters would not do btw.).

      So for all practical means it was and is possible, and oftne easier, to delete than to block.

      The government used a false dichotomy

      No, they bet on the simple fact that 90%+ of people did not know anything about what they were asked ;) They just heard "child porn" and shouted YES!

      Not a dichotomy, not telling the important parts.

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