Well, really if we think about it for a moment God the father, the son, and the holy spirit are one in the same or at least that's what I was taught so in essence God himself came down as Jesus and had himself murdered by man for our sins. Now, as strange as this sounds even more strange to me would be that he wrote that way before it happened due to him knowing all. He knew I was going to write this today before he created the Earth. So in fact if he knows all and created all that would include all good and bad we experience and perceive here in this realm or could it be that this is just life? We are all part of the "source" here learning through experiences and taking that knowledge back to the source where eventually we will reside. But, to condemn ourselves for these experiences whether good or bad while we are here is not part of my mind set or beliefs and only cripples ones growth. Karma is real in my belief and will come back on one in one form or another but the idea of eternal damnation from yet another one of man's god and his creations isn't. Jeff's right that religion and politics seem to be taboo. It's good to see a post where people can relay their feelings/thoughts and have feedback from others. Discussions are good within these topics. Not everyone agree's one way or the other but the subject matter shouldn't be taboo and it's certainly not one sided. I wish you all well on your journeys through life................