Perfect @skeptic! I don't accept anything without my own research. I'm not here to persuade you or convince you, I shared my view. I don't need to back it up with logic, reason and facts. Belief doesn't need a reason. I've learned a lot, met a lot of people, enjoyed a lot of lessons... that's all I will ever say.
You have nowhere been asked to "blindly accept". @sascha has nowhere made a claim of fact or evidence, and clearly - and eloquently! - shared and explained a view held in such or similar forms by many people on the world.
The "comic" you posted is an insult, as @sascha never yelled "YOU CAN'T PROVE I DON'T TURN INTO A UNICORN", but calmly replied "I am not here to persuade you or convince you that I sometimes turn into a unicorn. I'm only telling you that sometimes I do." Without asking you to believe.
That is a huge qualitative difference, and especially someone who purports to uphold the values of the scientific method and skeptical thinking should be able to tell the difference.
Instead, you are being illogical, unreasonable and distort the facts.
By applying the metrics of science to personal beliefs, you make yourself a fool very much like the one measuring the distance between earth and sun with a Geiger counter. That is illogical.
You expect "links to factual data based in science" on a topic that by its very nature cannot be approached with the - rightfully! - strict corset of the scientific method and empiricism as understood by mainstream academia, and does not claim to be. That is unreasonable.
By twisting @saschas friendly words and polite reaction to your insolent trolling by depicting them as the angry outburst of a shizoid fanatic, you have distorted the facts.
From a fellow skeptic, please reconsider your approach.
Unless you want to give skeptics a bad name, then by all means, keep doing what you did here.
the fact that you believe in things with out facts to support them is funny to me. it might not have yelled it but made it perfectly clear that nothing that is said in this post is based in reality, its all make believe fantasy garbage. I am not talking for you or anyone else, I am talking for me. an independent free thinker. I am not part of a community and do not represent one. maybe turn it around? you might be giving skeptics a bad name, supporting feelings over fact, reason and logic. shame on you.
the fact that you believe in things with out facts to support them is funny to me.
Let us apply some old common horse logic. If there were facts to support my beliefs, I wouldn't have to believe, I would know, or could at least suspect. That is not what a belief is for. Belief is for when you can't possibly know, can't prove empirically, for when logic, reason and facts refuse to be applicable to a situation or question.
There is a quote I once found...
knowledge without faith leads to doubt. Faith without knowledge leads to superstition. Both together give certainty, and to unite them, they must not be mixed.
The last part is important. I do not debate biology with a bible or the Edda in my hand. So you are well advised to keep the Principia Mathematica out of a theological/spiritual/esoteric discussion. Simple as that.
made it perfectly clear that nothing that is said in this post is based in reality, its all make believe fantasy
And that is precisely why I don't see your problem. You don't like dragons, fine. Then don't watch Game of Thrones. Simple as that. Running around telling fantasy genre fans that dragons don't exist is not going to turn them into Trekkies exactly. What do you even expect?
you might be giving skeptics a bad name, supporting feelings over fact, reason and logic.
Well, I just defended fact, reason and logic against your unreasonable, illogical attack in which you distorted the facts. And you just did it again, btw. I never supported feelings over fact, reason and logic, you assume way too much. I am merely defending the right to feel -- and speak about it. Both views have a right to be heard. Nobody is forcing you to listen.
You'll have the last word in this discussion, make it count! :) Don't worry, I don't mind your insults.
Don't worry, I don't mind your insults.
I haven't insulted you once, you have done the insulting. Well, I just defended fact, reason and logic against your unreasonable, illogical attack
what did I say that was unreasonable or illogical?
and how is anything in the post fact reason or logic? we already said it was all fake made up grbage.
This has nothing to do with science. How would you measure your belief?
I wouldn't because I don't blindly accept something without facts to back it up.
I will take facts, logic and reason over faith and belief.
Perfect @skeptic! I don't accept anything without my own research. I'm not here to persuade you or convince you, I shared my view. I don't need to back it up with logic, reason and facts. Belief doesn't need a reason. I've learned a lot, met a lot of people, enjoyed a lot of lessons... that's all I will ever say.
I don't need to back it up with logic, reason and facts. Belief doesn't need a reason.-{sascha}-When you make statements you have burden of proof.
You have nowhere been asked to "blindly accept". @sascha has nowhere made a claim of fact or evidence, and clearly - and eloquently! - shared and explained a view held in such or similar forms by many people on the world.
The "comic" you posted is an insult, as @sascha never yelled "YOU CAN'T PROVE I DON'T TURN INTO A UNICORN", but calmly replied "I am not here to persuade you or convince you that I sometimes turn into a unicorn. I'm only telling you that sometimes I do." Without asking you to believe.
That is a huge qualitative difference, and especially someone who purports to uphold the values of the scientific method and skeptical thinking should be able to tell the difference.
Instead, you are being illogical, unreasonable and distort the facts.
By applying the metrics of science to personal beliefs, you make yourself a fool very much like the one measuring the distance between earth and sun with a Geiger counter. That is illogical.
You expect "links to factual data based in science" on a topic that by its very nature cannot be approached with the - rightfully! - strict corset of the scientific method and empiricism as understood by mainstream academia, and does not claim to be. That is unreasonable.
By twisting @saschas friendly words and polite reaction to your insolent trolling by depicting them as the angry outburst of a shizoid fanatic, you have distorted the facts.
From a fellow skeptic, please reconsider your approach.
Unless you want to give skeptics a bad name, then by all means, keep doing what you did here.
the fact that you believe in things with out facts to support them is funny to me. it might not have yelled it but made it perfectly clear that nothing that is said in this post is based in reality, its all make believe fantasy garbage. I am not talking for you or anyone else, I am talking for me. an independent free thinker. I am not part of a community and do not represent one. maybe turn it around? you might be giving skeptics a bad name, supporting feelings over fact, reason and logic. shame on you.
Let us apply some old common horse logic. If there were facts to support my beliefs, I wouldn't have to believe, I would know, or could at least suspect. That is not what a belief is for. Belief is for when you can't possibly know, can't prove empirically, for when logic, reason and facts refuse to be applicable to a situation or question.
There is a quote I once found...
knowledge without faith leads to doubt. Faith without knowledge leads to superstition. Both together give certainty, and to unite them, they must not be mixed.
The last part is important. I do not debate biology with a bible or the Edda in my hand. So you are well advised to keep the Principia Mathematica out of a theological/spiritual/esoteric discussion. Simple as that.
And that is precisely why I don't see your problem. You don't like dragons, fine. Then don't watch Game of Thrones. Simple as that. Running around telling fantasy genre fans that dragons don't exist is not going to turn them into Trekkies exactly. What do you even expect?
Well, I just defended fact, reason and logic against your unreasonable, illogical attack in which you distorted the facts. And you just did it again, btw. I never supported feelings over fact, reason and logic, you assume way too much. I am merely defending the right to feel -- and speak about it. Both views have a right to be heard. Nobody is forcing you to listen.
You'll have the last word in this discussion, make it count! :) Don't worry, I don't mind your insults.
Don't worry, I don't mind your insults.I haven't insulted you once, you have done the insulting.
Well, I just defended fact, reason and logic against your unreasonable, illogical attackwhat did I say that was unreasonable or illogical?
and how is anything in the post fact reason or logic? we already said it was all fake made up grbage.
Otherwise, this topic should be under poetry or story tag.
One of the most insufferable jackasses on the planet.
To be fair, you're making an assertion about the nature of reality. It's kind of a requirement.
I'm with you, far too many religious posts are trending here. Its unnerving.
Free speech sucks huh?