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RE: Let's Talk About What We Aren't Supposed To Talk About... Religion!
There is a quote I read somewhere quite awhile ago - "I don't mind God but I do not fancy his fan club" in that matter. I don't mind believing in a higher power even if I'm not a real believer in the supernatural but Religion has done more wrong that right and has killed more people that it has ever saved troughout the years. It is a machine for manipulation and money that people are blindly following for 'the greater good'. Sad really how so many people have lost the 'child with the questions - But why?'.
guy's i'm not saying because i'm a true believers in christ but it doesn't mean that i'm not a sinner. faith is also a gift from God. remember that we are created in his own image but we have our own choice i pray that before the second coming of Jesus christ you we're still alive so that you can witness his glory.
I agree with you.For me It's our faith in God is the most important. Its not the religion nor our good deeds towards others.
True, religion will not save anyone, nor our good deeds. The Bible clearly states that many will still go to hell even though they did good works. Without Faith the works are dead. The Bible also Clearly states we are saved by Grace through Faith. We are made into new creations and good works will follow. Some people think they are saved by good works without Faith. I think they have it somewhat backwards.
Yes Grace is our gift to receive freely and Faith is what we develop in our relationship with Christ. We have all been given our own Sovereign will to make a choice. Which way we choose will decide the out come.
No shit. Let's not forget man's version of a god flooded the entire world and killed practically everyone and everything...... almost. Strange that people would follow such a being even if he had a change of heart later? I'm no atheist but man's version ain't for me..........
Well that is what Christians believe. There are quite a lot of Gods out there :). Another thought.. how is everyone so convinced that their God is the real one and everyone else's is false?
I still can't stomach the story of God killing his own child and it is celebrated yearly......I do believe in God/Creator/Source....but not the lessons being taught. It's all pretty twisted to me :(
You are in error God did not kill his own child his own child layed his own life down freely he had power to lay it down and power to take it back he himself said no man takes my life from me i lay it down freely and he purposed to do this before he layed the foundations of the world when he forknew that man would rebel and sin against God so see you now have no excuse to reject him and live in your rebellion
I am entitled to my own feelings on the subject. It still doesn't impress me and I choose not to be subjected to this programming and control. The beauty is, you are entitled to your own feelings and I hope they bless you always. In Love Brother
Well, really if we think about it for a moment God the father, the son, and the holy spirit are one in the same or at least that's what I was taught so in essence God himself came down as Jesus and had himself murdered by man for our sins. Now, as strange as this sounds even more strange to me would be that he wrote that way before it happened due to him knowing all. He knew I was going to write this today before he created the Earth. So in fact if he knows all and created all that would include all good and bad we experience and perceive here in this realm or could it be that this is just life? We are all part of the "source" here learning through experiences and taking that knowledge back to the source where eventually we will reside. But, to condemn ourselves for these experiences whether good or bad while we are here is not part of my mind set or beliefs and only cripples ones growth. Karma is real in my belief and will come back on one in one form or another but the idea of eternal damnation from yet another one of man's god and his creations isn't. Jeff's right that religion and politics seem to be taboo. It's good to see a post where people can relay their feelings/thoughts and have feedback from others. Discussions are good within these topics. Not everyone agree's one way or the other but the subject matter shouldn't be taboo and it's certainly not one sided. I wish you all well on your journeys through life................
I seek to base my assumptions on Gods written word for he has said heaven and earth shall pass away but my word shall never pass away.Knowing this we are wise to base are opinions on that written word rather than our reasoning feelings and opinions The Father Son and Holy Spirit are One in the sense that they agree on everything yet are separate entitys Jesus said me and my Father are one My Father sent me i am not alone my Father is always with me Father i have done the work that you sent me to do recieve me now back to the glory that i once had it is not i but the father that dwells in me does the work i could go on and on where Jesus signifies that he and his father are separate yet one in that they agree and also same as with the Spirit he told his followers go unto Jerusalem and wait for the promise of the Spirit which you have heard of from me it is more needful for you that i go else the Spirit will not come but if i go i will send him so you see there is much evidence that they are separate yet agree i could give many more examples my point is we should base our opinions and beliefs on Gods revealed will his written word
Interesting point. Thank you for your comment. I appreciate the response. I still have a hard time with the traditional viewpoint but my mind is always open to other rational persons and their beliefs. You're right in that this discussion could go on and on but I don't mind in the sense that it never hurts to listen. It's all very interesting to me and again I thank you.
I totally resonate with you and agree this is all a learning experience. We each have our own individual perception of actually the same story. It is quite beautiful when you look at it that way ;)
Genesis 6King James Version (KJV)
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
God reset the board sort of speak. Noah had the same Y chromosome as Adam did. And Adam's father was Creator God. Made in his own image. So when the 1/3 fallen angels following Lucifer slept with the daughters and had half-angel half human children.. Their actions corrupted all flesh within a few generations? Save 'perfect' Noah. Noah's three sons were pure as well. In fact, thanks to the flood, every human male shares the same inherited Y. The wives of his three sons arguably had corrupted X chromosomes. So inherently God gave his creation a second chance free from "Evil Angel-Daddy's DNA". The punishment to the angels was/is so severe that this offense won't be repeated again- ever. The spirits that died in the flood are the wandering, familiar spirits we wrestle against every day. They are the ones that answer rituals and demonic summonings and Ouija boards. That stuff is real-- right? The angels that committed these trespasses I believe are still bound in chains until they are unleashed in the final yet approaching days.
We know giants persisted through history. Goliath was of the giant. He had 12 fingers 12 toes. The peoples Joshua would wipe out entirely were all giant. The spies reported how they were as grasshoppers in the sight of the inhabitant peoples.
How could this be post-flood? Well that's the three sons' three wives for ya... there were giants in those days, and also after that.
Right on the money, i have always wondered if the Nephilims were destroyed with the flood how come we had giant afterwards. Though i don't think its has simple as it being narrowed down to chromosomes because that would make women a protege of the corrupted flesh, but yes Noah's wife and daughters in-law seems to be the explanation for the proliferation of the Nephilims "sons of Anak".
When you say "The angels that committed these trespasses I believe are still bound in chains until they are unleashed in the final yet approaching days", and you say these "spirits" supposedly have died in the flood and already buried underground. Through simplistic interpretation, my first though is, could this be reflected in what is already happening today. Fossil fuels supposed to have originated from a mass burial extinction, represented by the "flood". In this modern age, they are being dug up, drilled, burned and "unleashed" into the air we breath, causing pollution, climate change, and war over oil towards the "final yet approaching days". God create Adam (man) to take care of His creation (Gen 2:15). That was our purpose, to care and maintain peace in this world, until we gained "the knowledge of good and evil" and we realise we can abuse the "creation", knowingly or unknowingly, for our own selfish gains, lust and pride. This resulted in "sin", which in the original Greek and Hebrew, means to miss our target, and in this sense, to lose our original purpose.
Hey bro! Enjoy these comments. I should have been more clear. The spirits of the half-breeds that died in the flood are the 'wandering' spirits of today. And the original angels that fell are according to scripture still bound in chains. YES- I am pointing out that the female 'dna' was indeed corrupted still to this day. However, there's no way they can pass a faulty Y to a male.
Original sin... The bible states that Eve was the mother of all living. However, it doesn't state that Adam was the father of all living. I believe scripture shows us that the father of Cain is the serpent. And I think we were all created because God is bored or maybe lonely? However, making friends with a Robot wouldn't be as fulfilling as making friends with someone that could freely accept or reject you. Independently able to make choices resulting in death or life. Cain's lineage is never connected to Adam. Furthermore, you can see how Christ compared to the kingdom of heaven as a man sowing wheat, and his enemy came and sowed tares. Lest the harvest be ruined, the 'tares' (the weeds, the evil) are allowed to mature with the good (wheat) until the very end.
Maybe the devil has convinced us that he is God. Let's face it if there was indeed an antichrist then he'd be responsible for all the disasters we call an 'act of God'
You do realize that when you say higher power you could be referring even to Satan? Satan is called the god of this earth. Little g. He controls the earth and the first heaven which is our immediate atmosphere. Saying you believe in a higher power really leaves the door open for so much. Many people say they believe in a God or higher power but in the Bible even the demons and Satan himself believes in God but that is not going to save them. Only believing in Jesus Christ and his death, burial and resurrection will. Not going to push the Gospel of Jesus Christ on you but I did want to state that. Many Blessings to you sir!
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