RE: Justice Out Of Reach For The Poor
I disagree with this entire article.
Not because your facts are wrong, but in that you are stating it is because they are "poor".
You are wrong. Very wrong.
This is a systemic problem.
This is not rich vs poor.
This is the system vs. everyone.
There are those who own the system.
They get away with child trafficking, rape and murder.
They need children.
There are those who are considered easy prey.
They go after the poor, not because they are poor, but because most of them are hella stupid. They do not know what their rights are. They don't know anything about the legal system or the law.
If the poor wanted to do something about this system, it would be easy. Just show up to court for everything. Make a judge hear your case for every ticket. Never take a plea deal. The entire system would grind to a halt.
It is the system. We are told that the system is for justice, that everyone gets their day in court. But it isn't true. The system is designed to take so many children away from their parents per month.
Even the so called 1% (dual income professional families) can't afford lawyers to fight the system.
So, don't start by saying its about the poor.
I don't like your attitude in this comment. You are telling her that the poor are stupid! Wow! I wrote a series of posts about my friend Anna and her fight against CPS, and she is HIGHLY INTELLIGENT! Yet she had a long, terrible fight.
From what I can tell about the person sharing this post, they went through their own terrible court process with CPS. So they are talking from experience and how being poor made them more vulnerable to attack and hindered them in their fight to keep their family together.
Also, you say that it is easy to win -- that you just have to show up and fight everything. But what happens when showing up to the constant court dates and meeting all the CPS demands upon you mean that you can not go to work? Not going to work means that you don't earn enough money to eat and pay for your rent. Not paying for your rent makes you homeless which then gives CPS even more ammunition to not give your children back. Many, many families have been financially devastated from fighting CPS. In fact my friend Anna's family, which was already poor, were put into TONS of debt through the process. The debt was not because of lawyers (which were paid for by Legal Aid) but because of things like them forcing her husband to move out and have to pay for a second home, while still trying to support his family.
Though you seem to say I am wrong, of course you are entitled to your own opinion. But I can't help but notice that you are driving towards agreeing with all I have said, except for the fact that you think "Showing up and never taking a plea" automatically brings your child home.
It is so much more than that builderofcastles.
The system is rigged and the poor are paying for the system's criminal nature.
I do agree. CPS is an evil enterprise for supplying fresh children for nefarious activities.
I do not agree with "rich vs poor"
Your statement:
The poor get no justice.
My statement:
There is no justice.
The poor just make such easy targets.
When you start off with being about the "poor", you make this a class war. When it is not about class.
CPS is evil, by design. There is no justice in that system.
But, you will not see that until all the poor kids are gone, and then CPS starts working on the middle class kids.
And, if you really looked at who is getting hit with CPS it is people from all walks of life.
The only difference is those who know better never let CPS passed their doorway, and that makes a huge difference.
So, i am trying to state that your "source of the problem" is misplaced. And thus, all your efforts will be for not.
So you're stating waive your right to due process? CPS or family courts are not like traffic courts. It's very obvious you're not educated on how the legal system operates.
How is showing up to court waiving your right to due process?
Further, delaying tactics are an excellent method of handling bureaucracies. There are lawyers who are paid to keep things out of court by enacting legal delays.
My statement is for the people to overload the system so that it cannot function. And overloading the system in one area, pulls resources from another. All judges have to do some traffic court duty.
Paper terrorism. Wow. Ok just shut up. How many cases are won by paper terrorism? Tell me.
If you cant tell me why appearing in a family court case and trying to presenting facts is a violation of due process, maybe you shouldn't be sharing your opinions.
I do not care about tactics BAR attorneys use, they are apart of the problem.
Over in Mississippi they tried to enact red light cameras.
No one paid the fines. No one.
The red light cameras were removed.
What i think you are calling "paper terrorism" is how court cases are won.
If you are in a battle with CPS, you never turn over your children. And you make CPS and the court jump through every hoop.
Further, if you drag out your court case with CPS, you tie up court time and bureaucrat time that can't be used to harass someone else.
Due process has nothing to do with facts.
If you are in a court battle, then you follow the rules of the court.
Thus, you HAVE TO follow the tactics of BAR attorneys.
And why would you follow those tactics? Because they work.
I hate the BAR and i hate the court system.
There is no justice there. There aren't even any american courts.
The whole structure should be abolished.
However, if you find yourself having to go to that wretched place, you better know the rules of the game. Not knowing, or not using those rules means you have already lost.
You're wrong.
What jurisdictional subject matter is granted to family courts? When did a title Iv agency single and seperate under executive branch become a judicial venue? Never. Listen .. it's just wrong. There are things called fraud, harrassment, duress, etc etc. But do not do paper terrorism.
Furthermore, breathing in a family court is pointless. Goto one sometime, watch how they trample people. Its pointless.
Yes, i agree. If CPS gets passed the first step in their process of removing your children, leave the country. Do not step foot in a family court.
However, if you want to stay in this country, and CPS is after you, then you have to use the court system. There is nothing else.
Knowing how the system works is important. And you should put up as big a wall of paper as you can.