Does the self voting needs to be removed for the steemit.com block-chain system in next hard fork?please raise your voice, re-steem the content, follow me and the support the campaign. Thanks
Why people raises this question I don't understand.Do you assure a minnow gets votes for good content soon after he publish the post.A self upvote increase the visibility of the post for minnows.It helps them.So leave it like that.Minnows should have full support.Cheers.
That will not guarantee that their content is good, a lot of good content is not visible due to self voting by whales, who are controlling the steemit content.
Give it time cryptopizza. A lot of the wales dump a ton of money into steemit, only to lose it back into the community by upvoting their poor content. Their loss, the community's gain. They'll continue to lose steem (or transfer more wealth into steemit, only to lose that as well) Sooner or later, that will catch up to them. The community will benefit because their steem will now be out there for everyone else. The people who continue to crank out good content will gradually work their way up and build a solid and faithful following. The whales who do not produce good content will eventually lose their following. Money can promote your post, but it can't buy you loyal friends. Eventually the good content creators will come out on top.
You just have to be patient. It may not happen soon. It may take years. But things always eventually balance out. Look at Walmart. They were riding the top for a very long time. No one thought they could ever be taken down. Now comes Amazon. Walmart can no longer compete. Amazon is crushing them. Look at Google. Same thing. No one thought anyone could stand up to Google. But along comes Facebook. Facebook is giving Google a serious run for their money now. Facebook is so big and powerful Google can't buy them out. Facebook is riding the top....But they have gotten too greedy. They financially rape their advertisers and pay nothing back to the content creators. So what happens? Along comes Steemit. I believe Steemit will crush facebook. Because there is a need for content creators to get paid for their content. The minnows are building teams and coalitions. If among those teams and coalitions there is good content, that good content will rise rapidly. Those who rise will have steem + good content + a very loyal following. I don't care how much a whale has, none of them can compete with that.
That's what I'm thinking. Like anything in life, the first person to help you stand up is yourself. The second are your parents. There's nothing wrong with giving yourself a leg up and asking your friends and relatives to help.
Do you think that people doing that practically?? They just doing that for using the loophole of social media I think. They are doing that everyday and all content.
Whenever you take a bite of food are you doing that for yourself or someone else? Whenever you choose a job, are you doing that for yourself or someone else? It is normal human behavior to put self first. In fact, without putting one's self first, it is impossible to help others. I have no problem with people promoting themselves first. But those who do not remember the community that built them will eventually fail. Look at how many whales have lots of followers yet they follow no one else. Look at how many get lots of upvotes but never upvote anyone else. How long do you think people will really follow them in hopes that they'll repay the favors? Eventually people shun those who become too greedy. Having the competition encourages the coalitions and team building that minnows engage in in order to get ahead. Those who engage in this team building and work their way up by producing good genuine content are going to remember their friends when they become wales. Those who were previously following greedy whales will rapidly shift their attention to the wales who were generous.
I think the solution is rather than having Steemit force a change on the next hardfork, do what you are doing by building a coalition of minnows to make change from within the community. The free market always works best.
Good content always prevails. On the web, content is king. All of the social media had crap posts in the very beginning. Over time, content improved. The same will hold true here as well.
i think the whole system of sending SBD to whales to get more traffic to the content is the real issue.
I prefer a voting system where based on number of times you post in a specific topic and the quality of response, your content gets promoted. Also we need a way to ban auto generated comments that add zero value in long term. It is easy to verify when the comment content sometimes is so generic and similar to prior comments from that user.
If self voting should be removed, it shoukd only be for persons with several tens of thousands of steem power"whales", otherwise your campaign is useless. Very useless! You can not in any way remove selfvote. What it does is give your post more exposure, which is something needed for all. I am still waiting for strong points supporting your campaign. You can't blinding have an opinion without looking at the entire aspects, the situation, the benefits, etc etc
hello Cryptopizza ;) Glad to see more people like you - here joining steemit !! Becoming a steamian is a great adventure ! Here you can win money while bloging ! At the beginning it wouldn't be easy, but it isn't impossible. So just write from your heart and everything will be allright. Wish you much luck! Cheers!
Greetings, @khunfarang !
that is right ... keeping 4 upvotes and up to 4 posts is good for steeming power, plus if you upvote a post that is going to gain much voting usually by whales then you are going to recieve fractional "plankton" and so on and forth...
if you plan to make 4 posts and upvote them 4 times then you wont have power to upvote others...balancing is key but if you have a lot of steem power you can treat yourself but then again you won't need it cause others will for you...up voting yourself is good for the new fishes ... it is like sticking your head up to get a peak or a pick lol ..after you become a big fish then it starts to stink but hey short answer...YES! it is a good idea :D
Why people raises this question I don't understand.Do you assure a minnow gets votes for good content soon after he publish the post.A self upvote increase the visibility of the post for minnows.It helps them.So leave it like that.Minnows should have full support.Cheers.
That will not guarantee that their content is good, a lot of good content is not visible due to self voting by whales, who are controlling the steemit content.
Give it time cryptopizza. A lot of the wales dump a ton of money into steemit, only to lose it back into the community by upvoting their poor content. Their loss, the community's gain. They'll continue to lose steem (or transfer more wealth into steemit, only to lose that as well) Sooner or later, that will catch up to them. The community will benefit because their steem will now be out there for everyone else. The people who continue to crank out good content will gradually work their way up and build a solid and faithful following. The whales who do not produce good content will eventually lose their following. Money can promote your post, but it can't buy you loyal friends. Eventually the good content creators will come out on top.
I hope that change will start soon.
You just have to be patient. It may not happen soon. It may take years. But things always eventually balance out. Look at Walmart. They were riding the top for a very long time. No one thought they could ever be taken down. Now comes Amazon. Walmart can no longer compete. Amazon is crushing them. Look at Google. Same thing. No one thought anyone could stand up to Google. But along comes Facebook. Facebook is giving Google a serious run for their money now. Facebook is so big and powerful Google can't buy them out. Facebook is riding the top....But they have gotten too greedy. They financially rape their advertisers and pay nothing back to the content creators. So what happens? Along comes Steemit. I believe Steemit will crush facebook. Because there is a need for content creators to get paid for their content. The minnows are building teams and coalitions. If among those teams and coalitions there is good content, that good content will rise rapidly. Those who rise will have steem + good content + a very loyal following. I don't care how much a whale has, none of them can compete with that.
That's what I'm thinking. Like anything in life, the first person to help you stand up is yourself. The second are your parents. There's nothing wrong with giving yourself a leg up and asking your friends and relatives to help.
Do you think that people doing that practically?? They just doing that for using the loophole of social media I think. They are doing that everyday and all content.
Whenever you take a bite of food are you doing that for yourself or someone else? Whenever you choose a job, are you doing that for yourself or someone else? It is normal human behavior to put self first. In fact, without putting one's self first, it is impossible to help others. I have no problem with people promoting themselves first. But those who do not remember the community that built them will eventually fail. Look at how many whales have lots of followers yet they follow no one else. Look at how many get lots of upvotes but never upvote anyone else. How long do you think people will really follow them in hopes that they'll repay the favors? Eventually people shun those who become too greedy. Having the competition encourages the coalitions and team building that minnows engage in in order to get ahead. Those who engage in this team building and work their way up by producing good genuine content are going to remember their friends when they become wales. Those who were previously following greedy whales will rapidly shift their attention to the wales who were generous.
Exactly, the same view I have and I have wrote this post couple days ago, Please check it out here : https://steemit.com/steemit/@cryptopizza/why-you-do-not-make-money-even-with-enough-votes-and-good-content-does-self-voting-needs-to-be-banned-in-steemit
I think the solution is rather than having Steemit force a change on the next hardfork, do what you are doing by building a coalition of minnows to make change from within the community. The free market always works best.
Good content always prevails. On the web, content is king. All of the social media had crap posts in the very beginning. Over time, content improved. The same will hold true here as well.
I am ok to leave it as is. Either way my self vote doesnt count much until my network expands
So what do you think about the issue in future?
i think the whole system of sending SBD to whales to get more traffic to the content is the real issue.
I prefer a voting system where based on number of times you post in a specific topic and the quality of response, your content gets promoted. Also we need a way to ban auto generated comments that add zero value in long term. It is easy to verify when the comment content sometimes is so generic and similar to prior comments from that user.
If self voting should be removed, it shoukd only be for persons with several tens of thousands of steem power"whales", otherwise your campaign is useless. Very useless! You can not in any way remove selfvote. What it does is give your post more exposure, which is something needed for all. I am still waiting for strong points supporting your campaign. You can't blinding have an opinion without looking at the entire aspects, the situation, the benefits, etc etc
Thanks ! So please come ahead and lets make the first block chain social website real decentralized .
if you Follow & Upvote me, i will Follow & Upvote you...!
Thanks !
hello Cryptopizza ;) Glad to see more people like you - here joining steemit !! Becoming a steamian is a great adventure ! Here you can win money while bloging ! At the beginning it wouldn't be easy, but it isn't impossible. So just write from your heart and everything will be allright. Wish you much luck! Cheers! Greetings, @khunfarang !
Thanks !
No, it should not be removed in my opinion. People buy or earn their own stake. If they self-vote too much they will just run out of voting power.
that is right ... keeping 4 upvotes and up to 4 posts is good for steeming power, plus if you upvote a post that is going to gain much voting usually by whales then you are going to recieve fractional "plankton" and so on and forth...
Exactly, so do you agree that self voting is not a good idea?
if you plan to make 4 posts and upvote them 4 times then you wont have power to upvote others...balancing is key but if you have a lot of steem power you can treat yourself but then again you won't need it cause others will for you...up voting yourself is good for the new fishes ... it is like sticking your head up to get a peak or a pick lol ..after you become a big fish then it starts to stink but hey short answer...YES! it is a good idea :D
Do you think that is a good practice??
It depends on the account size. If the whales only self vote the distribution would be really bad, but outside of that I don't really have an opinion.
Difficult question @cryptopizza , because often its the only buck a minnow gets in the beginning, so what do you suggest as an alternative?
My option is only vote to good content and someone's content whom you don't know.
I don't think so self uprooting does not hurt anyone its like promoting a post thanks a lot for sharing and keep on posting ;)
Do you think, writing anything and post and vote and bring in top which does not have any real information is a good idea??
Welcome to Steemit. I hope you enjoy your experience. follow me @andrestales
Thanks !
Welcome to Steemit! You will rock here! Followed. Follow me back 😘
Done, Thanks !