How Profits Make Us Less Humane

in #informationwar5 years ago (edited)

Even if you do not believe the premise implied by the title of this post to be true, we should be able to agree that there are certain things that are not fit for the "free market" to decide. Some things are sacred. Not in a religious sense, but from a humanistic perspective.


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Ask yourself this: how rich do we have to become as a society before we won't accept hunger and homelessness anymore? That's a rhetorical question; we already are more than rich enough to to achieve that goal and, as a society, we should all be ashamed that these problems still exist. This presumes that we believe it IS a problem, and I'm afraid there are still far too much individuals who do not believe poverty is a problem, many even say it's a necessity and fear that without poverty as an incentive, people would become lazy, would stop inventing things, stop caring about technological progression; for them the end of poverty is a nightmare of human complacency. I won't go into detail about that misconception today and just say that, as a species, we'll NEVER stop being curious about how everything can become better, faster, more efficient and so on. People who fear the human complacency hell simply don't understand what makes us tick.

Growth, in the sense of creating real wealth, better products, more products for more people and so on, in itself is not a bad thing; this is how we progress toward a better world for all people. Growth becomes a problem when it's achieved through an ideology that makes all growth personal, when it's based on the growth of individual property; this is how we've created the modern day kings and emperors, the richest 0.001 percent that rule the planet and own every government on the globe. This is how we create the ever widening chasm between the haves and the have nots. This is how we LIMIT liberty by concentrating power in the hands of the few. And no, there is no invisible hand to prevent all that. There's government though, and there's the IDEA of democracy; without the concentration of economical power, democracy would have a fighting chance, democratic freedom would be real and voters would feel they have at least some power to influence their collective and individual future.

"Collective" however, has become a dirty word almost, along with "communal", "shared" and "universal"; decades of non-stop propaganda has made many people internalize the notion that they are the sole masters of their own lot in life, and consequently the only one to blame when they fail in life. This is nonsensical to me; every individual is both product and part of the society they're born into, so if that society produces individuals we deem to qualify as "failures", it's that society's fault and every individual in it, democracy or not. It's the denial of this basic and, in my eyes, obvious truth that leads people to believe that Jeff Bezos is worth every 130 billion or so dollars he's accumulated. If you really believe in the meritocracy, in purely individual achievements, you should recognize immediately that NO single individual can work that hard. None. Humans have only been able to create any wealth in surplus of their own immediate needs through cooperation; "many hands make light work", remember? Bezos made a website. He made "Walmart online". Now, is he the world's best website creator? Did he win some online store creation world championship? Is he even in the top 1000 of the world's best website-coders? How about Gates: did he create the world's most popular operating system? Or the best? Or Steve Jobs: did he develop ANY of the technologies used in either the iPod or the iPhone? The answer to all these questions is a resounding NO. Meritocracy? Or were the above mentioned gentlemen simply very good at making a profit, seeing an opportunity and immediately going for it? That's a resounding YES. They were at the right place at the right time and occasionally had the right idea. Many billions of people work very much harder than these gentlemen; a meritocracy capitalism is not.

Fancy mobile phones is one thing that can be left to a marketplace, maybe. But what about the most basic needs for a decent living? Should they be distributed by the rules of a game that values greed above anything else? Yes, it's greed, even if you want to call it "personal gains" or some other euphemism; enterprises that do not maximize profits do not survive in the long run and "mom and pop stores" are quickly becoming a thing of the past (and yes, their online equivalents will suffer the same fate). Monopolies are inescapable as they are the result of the concentration of money and power in the hands of the mega corporations, the ones that remain after the knock-out competition that eliminated all other contenders, so the question is who do you want to have that monopoly? Those for profit corporations, or a democratically elected government? That's the only choice we have in an all-encompassing system that's built on the private accumulation of wealth. Forget the invisible hand; it's not there.

If corporations hold the monopoly, we get scenario's as discussed in the below linked video about how insurance companies maximize their profits in healthcare. It shows exactly how the profit motive overshadows basic humanity, and how far people are willing to go to ensure those maximum profits; insurance companies hire nurses to act as the front-line of their deny-as-much-claims-as-possible policy... Just call it how it is; people are dying over greed here, and this is just one of many examples I could point to. Like I said in the introduction; we should be able to agree that there are certain things that are not fit for the "free market" to decide. Healthcare should be universal; we all pay for it according to our ability and we all benefit equally. That means you get the same doctor and the same care as mr. Bezos, even if he likes to believe he worked a thousand times harder or is a thousand times smarter than you. He's not. Admitting that is not the same as "hating the rich", so don't listen to the mainstream media. There's not one person, or just a few persons to blame for this; this healthcare example shows how it's the result of a system, and how every individual in that system simply acts as the system expects them to act. It's not Bezos' fault. The nurses aren't to blame. It's the reality we create with a collective (there's that dirty word again) mindset, a mindset we can also collectively change...


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The real complacency is when you're well enough off not to care about your fellow citizen.

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Bezos made a website. He made "Walmart online". Now, is he the world's best website creator? Did he win some online store creation world championship? Is he even in the top 1000 of the world's best website-coders? How about Gates: did he create the world's most popular operating system? Or the best? Or Steve Jobs: did he develop ANY of the technologies used in either the iPod or the iPhone? The answer to all these questions is a resounding NO.

It doesn't work like that. You get rewarded for the value that you bring to the market, not for working hard or being the best coder in the World. All three guys that you named brought a tremendous value to the market.

You can work your ass off but if what you bring to the market is not valued by it, you won't get rewarded. Just ask all those writers that spent years writing books that nobody wants to buy and read.

They didn't steal their money, people paid them voluntarily. Did you buy a PC running Windows? Xbox? iPhone? Used amazon to shop online? Then you contributed to their wealth.

If you want to make a solid case for the universal healthcare don't waste your time finding ways to say billionaires are evil in such a way that you can deny saying that.

Universal healthcare is a good idea that can stand on its own. No need to shit on poor ol' Gates.

It doesn't work like that.

Sure, we all know that. Except the billionaires who keep harping on how hard they worked for their money. They didn't. Stop pretending that the meritocracy exists, and then I'll stop using them as an example to the opposite.

Stop pretending that the meritocracy exists, and then I'll stop using them as an example to the opposite.

Meritocracy does exists, to a point. Pretending that it does not is foolish.

But, that's just part of the story. Regulatory capture exists as well. Shady dealings, too.

I'm pretty sure that you're using/having one of the services/products that those three put on the market. I'm willing to take that one step further and claim that you're pretty satisfied with their products and services. And I'm 100% sure none of them forced you to hand them your money. You did it gladly.

If you think it's easy (not hard work) to create online Walmart or Windows or iPhone, what are you waiting for? Create something that millions of people are willing to pay you cash money for and you'll be able to use yourself as an example in the posts like the one above.

The reward they got for their contribution is proportional to its value. Its so huge that you can safely say the World before Amazon/Windows/iPhone and the World after A/W?iP. They literally changed the World.

You picked the wrong billionaires to shit on. If you want some better examples take a look at those in finance. Mitt Romney, Paul Singer,... corporate raiders would be better examples. Getting wealthy by destroying companies and lives of their employees.

The reward they got for their contribution is proportional to its value.

Sorry bro, but that's nonsense. Having an idea does not create wealth. And in the case of Gates, he didn't even have the idea. There is no other method to create wealth than transforming nature through labor.

Its so huge that you can safely say the World before Amazon/Windows/iPhone and the World after A/W?iP. They literally changed the World.

Wrong again. There's a world before the internet and one after internet. Internet is created wholly through public funding, with tax dollars. All technologies used in the iPhone were created like that too.

You picked the wrong billionaires to shit on.

Nope, these will do just fine.

And besides: everything, and I do mean everything you say here only counts 1 kind of "value", which is the biggest problem to begin with. Men get payed more than women because they're the traditional breadwinners. Why? Because the women stayed at home, running the family; dad was able to go out to work because the women had an unpayed job at home. Capitalism has the nasty habit of not counting the wealth that's not measured in dollars. That, in a nutshell, is why you'll never be able to defend capitalism, because it's indefensible.

Getting wealthy by destroying companies and lives of their employees.

Sigh... That's exactly how money is made and true wealth is destroyed, and almost all publicly traded companies work this way. Meritocracy does not exist, not in the real world, if it did, housewives would be payed the same as their husbands who simply worked in another location. Now capitalism has forced the mothers, fathers and their education-craving children to do dad's job; there's that destruction of true wealth again.

I'm pretty sure that you're using/having one of the services/products that those three put on the market. I'm willing to take that one step further and claim that you're pretty satisfied with their products and services. And I'm 100% sure none of them forced you to hand them your money. You did it gladly.

I won't even grace this with a response and just say that this is the same kind of argument as "if you don't like it here, just move elsewhere"; that's a very poor argument to make.

It's safe to say that we disagree.

Sorry bro, but that's nonsense. Having an idea does not create wealth. And in the case of Gates, he didn't even have the idea.

Having an idea does not. Implementing that idea and putting it on the market does.

And in the case of Gates, he didn't even have the idea.

He had the execution. Fun fact - Gates, Allen and Ballmer worked in the same motel used by prostitutes while debugging Basic that they were trying to sell to Atari. Thin walls and all that.

Now capitalism has forced the mothers, fathers and their education-craving children to do dad's job; there's that destruction of true wealth again.

Is there a better system out there? Slavery did it, feudalism did it, communism did it, capitalism does it.

We, as a species, started dirt poor wandering around searching for food. When you look at the historical development, of all the systems we tried - capitalism performed the best.

Your position that everything would be fine if only those dirty billionaires didn't steal all that money for themselves is indefensible. Judging capitalism by some idealistic system that doesn't exist is just not fair.

Try this for a change: Capitalism is bad when compared to X, where X is a system that actually exists (existed) in the real World.

Your position that everything would be fine if only those dirty billionaires didn't steal all that money for themselves is indefensible.

It would be if that were my position. I argue against capitalism, not the people in it.

Try this for a change: Capitalism is bad when compared to X...

That's so easy. Capitalism is bad when compared to communism, which has existed for 190,000 of the 200,000 years of the existence of homo sapiens; we just didn't have a name for it back then ;-)

Slavery did it, feudalism did it, communism did it, capitalism does it.

Slavery, feudalism and capitalism are the same, all modes of production in which the owners of the means of production exploit the labor of the working majority, there's no difference between the three in a systemic sense (hence the "wage slave"). The communism you refer to isn't communism at all; it's state-capitalism, again exactly the same model of production in which it's the government minority that owns the means of production. Learn what communism is and don't simply go by what countries like to call themselves; the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not a democracy, nor a republic and certainly isn't for the people...

It's safe to say that we disagree.

But here's a point of agreement though ;-)

That's so easy. Capitalism is bad when compared to communism, which has existed for 190,000 of the 200,000 years of the existence of homo sapiens; we just didn't have a name for it back then ;-)

I'll take the capitalism of today over that communism all day long.

Not the biggest fan of my wife dying during childbirth or getting my tribe raided by the neighbours.

I'll take the capitalism of today over that communism all day long.

No, you'll take the technological progression of today over the non existence of technology back then. Defenders of capitalism have this special talent for confusing progress with economy... I'll even take it a step further and claim that capitalism incentivizes a wholly wrong kind of innovation and arrests true progress through silly schemes like "Intellectual Property Rights" and "Patents".

Healthcare should be universal; we all pay for it according to our ability and we all benefit equally.
Agree 100%
Thanks for using the point tag!

Thanks Isaria! And I'll use the point tag more often ;-)

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HAHAHA are you and Cyberdemon competing in the Oppression Olympics?
 
 

reminder that the only people that believe in this conspiracy theory are you and your ilk. Intersectionality is about equality and helping others, not about "out-oppressing" one another. Bizarre fantasy.

Yeah, I'm sure our little toddler here also believes that "cultural Marxism" is actually a thing...

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