RE: The final intractable problem for the Flat Earthers...24-hour sun at the South Pole.
The bible and physics textooks are both written by people. Physics textbooks are edited as new information comes in. The bible claims to have had the truth all along, but has been proved wrong over and over and over. There's almost nothing in the bible that hasn't been falsified, and what's left doesn't provide any clue as to the shape of this planet (or any others).
To throw science out as "human", "flawed", or "full of agendas" is to show you don't know what science is. It isn't a body of knowledge, it's a way of thinking about life and our experience. It's the best way we have of understanding reality, always improving, never stagnating, never mired in dogma, our holdout against the ravages of ignorance and superstition.
Gatekeepers, sure. But I've actually DONE science, myself. I went above the gatekeeper's heads and saw the data, did the calculations, measured gravity and time and the distance to the sun. It's real, even if you don't understand it. Just like the code in blockchain. I don't understand it, but I have programmer buddies who do, and they tell me it's legit. Are they gatekeeping the truth from us? Maybe. We could spend a couple years teaching ourselves programming, and figure it out ourselves, kinda like how I taught myself about science and math.
Pretty sure the Bible has also been remixed quite a few times.
Science can never be separate from human flaw. There are always humans doing & interpreting the science, subject to all of the same flaws & imperfections as other humans.
I have found there is a big gap between the propagandized ideals of science & the actual practice. Especially at the top of the most grand science organizations, where the most politically intelligent become the most powerful.
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“it's a way of thinking about life and our experience. It's the best way we have of understanding reality, always improving, never stagnating, never mired in dogma, our holdout against the ravages of ignorance and superstition.”
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“I've actually DONE science, myself. I went above the gatekeeper's heads and saw the data, did the calculations, measured gravity and time and the distance to the sun. It's real, even if you don't understand it. “
Does the scientific mindset say I proved it so it must be true? Or does the scientific mindset continually welcome new information to challenge what was previously thought of as true?
No, the bible can't be edited when things are found to be wrong. Why would you claim that? My point is that the bible claims to be true, but has been found false, while science never claimed to be true, only to be the best possible current understanding, always changing as new info comes in.
I'm not sure what the second half of your comment was about, sorry.
A great book on the topic is by Carl Sagan, called "The Demon-Haunted World". I just finished Orwell's '1984', and next I'm going to re-read the above. Carl foresaw this when he wrote it in the 90s, pretty much right down to the conversation we're having now. :(
I don’t think a book can claim itself to be true, only the people selling it can do that.
The bible based on my understanding has been edited & translated & massaged to fit the times or propaganda needs of the individual publisher many times over
The second 1/2 of my comment was really meant to ask if science should be closed or open minded?
& should we as individuals be closed or open minded about our own personal science?
I don't know, but what I do know is you aren't serious about getting to the bottom of this, and I only have so much time in a day.
Was definitely serious, just trying to think logically about things.
Wouldn’t set out to waste your time or mine 👍