Open borders for self interest. The Bernie logic.
"The reason many wealthy business owners support open borders is purely for their own bottom line interest"
-- Bernie Sanders
I could kiss you. You just stumbled upon the great moral virtue of free markets: leveraging people's subjective self-interest to get them to voluntarily, peacefully do good things they'd otherwise have no interest in doing.
Yes, a lot of market actors want open borders for their own self-interest. And a lot of immigrants want to immigrate for their own self-interest. And a free market allows both of those people to get exactly what they want without hurting anybody.
Bernie and other immigration opponents, on the other hand, see that same dynamic and yet want to use the violence of the state to prevent both of them from fulfilling their interests. What gives?
I really think it's nationalism. I do.
Bernie thinks it's the American government's job to protect American workers. And if that means keeping Mexican workers out, then fine. And if it means stealing jobs from Bangladesh, then fine.
The interests of Americans trump the interests of foreigners. Even when it's an interest against a right.
I think violent cultures like American gang culture has a really negative impact on its participants and proximal peoples.
Even though manipulation is rife in America's Western-culture, and let's be honest manupluation is rife in most of our world, I think our standards of freedom are the best systemically established standards in modern times! American #CommonLaw allows #logos, reason to reign supreme in affairs between sovereign individuals, and I would not trade it for any other system!
Yup, America may not be perfect but it is the best and we should not destroy it by failing to secure it's borders.
Well, it is American govt after all , it is not world government.
how dare they?!
I think we have argued vehemently on this person's account before?
@funbobby51
maybe, I do like to argue with people, though not that vehemently.
I find it to be amazing that we have found a point to agree upon , judging from last conversation it seemed highly unlikely !!
Probably the only thing we would agree on...I think
I don't recall our last discussion but perhaps you would find we have more in common than not. The more often you are right the more often you will agree with me. ;)
there you go...already disagree with you..by for now
it all starts with agreeing with me once.
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Flood labor markets; lower wages.
-Not my first choice.
Yup, even Bernie Sanders understands that without America the whole world would be a shithole. It is not the American governments job to protect American workers?
Hmm?