I see where you are coming from but I am leaning towards the other side.
I do agree with the blacklist. Some of the people on the blacklist have had a change of heart, true, but a bunch of them took advantage of the situation to hold leverage over the entire chain and demand unreasonable changes, especially most in the SCT community.
My thinking is that, what is the point of airdropping those accounts on Hive while both chains have separate a vision.
Why do they want Hive tokens? They could still stick on the Steem chain and actualize their short power downs and subscriptions based economy once Justin Sun takes over. That is if he has any plans of staying on Steem.
This was an ideological fork. Let's not pretend otherwise.
I agree that those who are creating Hive can do whatever they want, I just think it's an extremely bad move of which the negatives over time will be way higher compared to the positives in the short run. Hive now starts off as a chain who forked out individual accounts, many of which just took a neutral stand since the evidence of promises surrounding the ninja mined stake was by no means strong enough to initiate the soft fork freezing the Justin Sun stake. (See this video from @exyle which changed my view on it)
It will be interesting how everything turns out.
Actually, that is a nice video from exyle. I get what he saying about a precedent has been set.
Let me however offer a different persepective.
Assume the soft fork did not take place. We already saw the rhetoric about steem moving to Tron. Justin himself said it. He wanted Steem to become a TRC token on the Tron blockchain and Steemit would have been its front end.
The question of whether the soft fork was a great or poor decision will be answered over the course of the coming weeks. Let's see what Justin Sun does once he gains consensus on the Steem blockchain.
My estimation? He will actualize his HF allowing only Binance, maybe Huobi, and his own account to power down in 1-3 days. He will dump against the market soon after.
You are buying into the narrative, the one that threatens those that hold power now. Do you think Sun could have forced those Steem out of your account somehow? The Fork option was always there and could have been used at anytime, there was no need to freeze his stake.
I am not sure if Sun will be good or bad for Steem, its sad he wasn't given the benefit of the doubt, we could be here right now just the same if he slipped up, there was no need to poke the bear. He has lots of money, connections and loads of hype. Could have given him some time and if it wasn't working out or no agreement could be reached on the ninja stake then fork.
The ninja stake was never clear cut enough for me, I wish it was but the evidence proves otherwise and also others ninja mined as well. Justin Sun came to Steem and was welcomed with a punch in the mouth.
Justin Sun has already censored posts on the Steemit front end through code. Anything about Hive from outspoken people has been removed from Steemit.com.
When he bought the stake there was an AMA and he did not even answer pertinent questions from the community. He was also contacted by various witnesses before the soft fork but never replied.
It wasn't until the soft fork that he came to the table to discuss his plan for Steem but even then he was doing other things under the table.
Whatever the case, everybody has a choice. Stay on the Steem Blockchain or move to Hive. There is no right or wrong. Just hope you are on the right side of this whole debacle.
Anyway, this was a nice discourse but all my activity will be on hive from now on.
All the best to you.
Unfortunately it has totally disintegrated into to tit for tat now.
All the best on Hive
The entire situation is just one big mess, I personally am/was not against the soft fork as I don't see bad intentions and it didn't really compromise his funds even though it set a precedent. The hostile takover by Sun was just extremely stupid. I do understand both sides though as there is no valid evidence on the ninja mined stake. It's just the idea that many people now got forked out who did nothing wrong that makes little sense. We'll see where it out goes from here on out.
Mistakes have been made and will continue to be made. I don't want anything to do with what Sun has implied are his visions for Steem and I can only be grateful there is an alternative.
All I am saying is, if you supported Justin (in code it is anybody who upvoted sock puppets and had more than 1000SP and sock puppets themselves and obviously Steemit Inc accounts) then why would you want free Hive tokens?
As for the fence-sitters, like the proxy.token account they really can't protest. You can't do nothing and expect reward for it.
Let's see how it all shapes up. Hope to see you on the other side though.
What would be the ideology behind it? Ninja mine is fine as long as it is not a threat to the witnesses?
The Community™ can't take the moral high ground here. They were OK with it for 4 years, only when that stake presented itself as a danger to their power they forked it out. What's worse, that blacklist looks like something a vindictive child would make.
That is one way of looking at it.
What I think is not coming across it that the Ninja-mined stake that Steemit itself owned (other people did the ninja-mine) has a social contract on it. It was never meant to vote on governance. It was meant to grow the Steem ecosystem and support DApps.
I doubt anybody disagrees when it is voided on the Hive chain, right?
As for the vindictive blacklist, sure. Most people moving to Hive are pissed and this is definitely lashing back. Proper catharsis in my opinion.
If you backed Justin and his sock puppet witnesses why then do you want to get a free hit over at Hive? Shouldn't those accounts want to still be on Steem under Tron leadership?
Or maybe they just want Hive tokens so they can profiteer by dumping?
Justin Sun moved 3.6 million Steem to Binance so he could also take advantage of the airdrop as well. Ironic, don't you think?
Void it on Hive fine, its your chain. Void it on Steem it then comes under consensus, we are all supposed to have an opinion on that. By punishing accounts you lose any morale or social support on that chain, just saying.
There will be no voiding of anything on Steem. A bunch of people are powering down so I assume Justin Sun will have his consenus very soon once the former witnesses fall out of top 20.
I will then be able to actualize the HF he wanted and who knows what that will entail.
This is a contentious issue but my personal opinion is that I am okay with it. I personally don't want those people who deliberately supported Justin with witness votes to his sock puppets getting free Hive tokens.
That is akin to, for lack of a better word, infecting the hive chain with the hostility that the fork wanted to move away from.
I want both chains to prosper but I highly doubt Justin Sun's intentions are aligned with that. All the best to Steem.
Well not now but that was the initial intent. You don't want people who deliberately supported Justin getting an airdrop eh? Well explain how Binance and Huobi who were the ones who got Justin into those witness positions get an Airdrop, whilst those voting after the fact don't?
Good question.
On Huobi, it is true the participated in getting Justin his sock puppet witnesses but as soon as they realized what they had done, they immediately reversed their vote and started powering down.
On Binance, they also reversed their vote and started powering down but they never opened up withdrawals. Even with withdrawals deactivated for customers, somehow Justin Sun was able to withdraw 3.6M Steem from Binance. Clearly, unlike Huobi Binance are still in bed with Justin.
That is why many people including myself are against airdropping Binance the new Hive tokens.
However, doing that would void legitimate claims from steem users who have their funds frozen on Binance.
If it were up to me, I would consider everybody else collateral damage so Sun doesn't get a single Hive coin free, but that would be the childish vindictiveness previously alluded to.
You couldn't just attack the ninja mine coins for Justin was also moving his stake early around into accounts thus the blocking was done blindly to prevent any such cases.
I get why it was done but the rushed move to do it before more damage could occur just created blind justice and hopefully the appeal process is easy.