RE: ๐ญ Your Steemit Time Challenge
I don't think there's a right or wrong approach as it will depend upon what you enjoy doing and how you like to spend your time. Some people prefer creating, some prefer consuming and I can't overemphasise my opinion on how important it is to enjoy it in order to keep motivated.
my upvotes are invisible
That's a valid point but they're not invisible if you also comment. I'm often confused when I see a comment on a post, complementing it and then see that they haven't upvoted.
Few people are interested in the comments of a beginner... ...So at this stage, creating posts is the only effective way to grow on Steemit.
I think that I disagree with you on this point. Comments are important not just for the person you're commenting to but to other readers of that post. If you comment on the right posts (perhaps somebody popular whose content you enjoy), your comment will be seen by many and if it's worthwhile, you'll get noticed as somebody who wants to add a valuable contribution to Steem rather than the selfish approach of posting their content and moving on (which is why I consider replying so important). So the beginners who do some hard graft and take the time to "build a foundation" will (in my opinion) be more successful than those who create a lot of content (and possibly still go unnoticed).
If I see people interacting with a post, I'll often think "wow, I really like how engaged they are with this community - I'll see if I can support them" and then I'll check to see if they're plagiarists or content abusers ๐คฃ
In general, I agree with your opinion on the importance of comments. Comments turn Steemit from a blog into a social platform. But of course we are talking about quality comments, not comments "Wow", "Thks", etc.
Much also depends on the post. If the post is just a good photo, sometimes there is nothing to say but words of admiration. Sometimes the post touches on a problem. A whole discussion can be born here.
However, I often saw posts where the author addresses readers with a question and does not receive any comments. Why? I do not know. It seems to me that most users prefer to chase after profits and do not read the posts of other users. Or maybe I'm wrong.
That's true - I often find a cool photo or painting and the best I can think of is something like "that's a beautiful picture / photo" which doesn't quite feel like enough.
I think you're exactly right with your view of chasing profits rather than reading posts. You make money writing posts, not by engaging with other users - which is a bit of a falsehood because without engaging with other users, your posts won't make any money (unless you buy votes).
this.
I think that's poorly worded. You get more rewards for writing posts than you do for engaging with other users. But... engaging with other users helps get them to support you. Without that engagement, who's going to upvote your content (ignoring the vote "buying")? There are are so many people complaining as we speak that they don't get noticed - they don't get upvotes. Why is that?
If I didn't engage with other users, I wouldn't have 13,000 SP and another 20,000 Steem that I trade with (roughly 33,000 SP total). If I'd joined and just written posts without getting to know people and speaking to them regularly, there's no way I'd be a moderator in this community and have the support from the more active whales on Steemit.
I can't tell you whether that compares favourably to people who have used Tipu / UpVu or delegated at 30% APR or whatever else but I definitely feel that it's worked for me.
But...
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and some other simple but mighty words.
I am not a native speaker, you know. I understand you, without opening the dictionary, but that is not the case for a lot of users. Steemit was EN-oriented blockchain for long... and to some borders it still is (haha! I wrote this in English, not in Russia). Folks cant (or had serious problems) with understanding the requirements, policies, guides etc etc etc etc. What have worked for you, would hardly work for many other users whose native language is not EN. But this is just... another brick in the wall, step aside. I don't think this is a very significant reason.
Is it your investment? Not sure if I understood you correctly here. I never could invest money into Steemit. It is sort of magic that I could invest my time into it... in such quantaties (I was a jobless for 14 months during this C-19 shit...)
Ok, I value your time too. It was a good conversation. And next time!
I agree with this 100% and actually contribute much of my "success" to it. I'm a native, well educated English speaker and from what I can see - most of those left for Hive. So in one sense, I stand out as a result. If I had to post, comment and reply in Russian, Chinese or Korean (other than the fact that I probably wouldn't have joined), I wouldn't have survived.
The Steem that I trade is also from upvotes but instead of powering up, I use t to provide liquidity to the internal market (volatility is my friend). Other than learning how to withdraw to various exchanges, I've not withdrawn any Steem (yet).
I know that my path here has been unique and almost certainly something that can't be replicated. My objective has always been to make Steemit a better platform and have taken a number of bold steps (and risks) as a result which has presented opportunities that I've taken advantage of. I've no doubt that 100 other people could repeat my journey without the rewards.
Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your perspective. Your English is superb - better than many who call it their native tongue ๐
I love how it sounds, all of it, purely all of it.
let me go to sleep.
let me go to sleep.
I cant imagine myself making 20k off Steem price volatility... ehehe... thats cause I count myself an original content creater rather then a crypto-enthusiast (considering STEEM what it is: convenient asset for speculations).. I am really not enough 'crypto' or 'enthusiast' for all that.... ehehe.
at this point I cant add anything else. good night! and TNKS for a pleasurable time killing conversation. my pleasure to feed you with the 1st grade comments created by (c) qwerrie ;)))
Ha ha - I know next to nothing about crypto. I don't even know why it exists ๐
Why? Because there are 1000 posters vs 1 reader here, and this said reader at the time was busy with some other posts, right? It might be an obvious thing. We all do investments of our time, energy, money, knowledge into the blockchain. If they bring no return, we feel frustrated. If you see your comments bring you nothing (or bring you smth less valuable than your life time... or less valuable then smth else that you could do during the same period of time) -- soon you will cancel that.
Depends on the a) quality of the contents; b) the certain person. I know a lot of folks who are intrested not in the financial side of the blockchain but in engagement, and all those folks no doubts would appreciate the good communication / feedback.
It is impossible to say that there are 1000 posters and 1 reader. If so, there were not so many comments under this article. @the-gorilla raised an interesting question and the discussion began. So, many people read the article and wanted to speak.
I completely agree with you that people came to this platform to earn money. To do this, they invest their time. Invest in what works best. Creating posts works best.
At the same time, as an author, I am very pleased and interested to receive comments under my posts. Then it seems to me that my post is interesting and someone needs it.
THIS.
here you answered to yourself. 8-)
I'm in agreement with both of you.
This is absolutely true. You need to enjoy it. If you have a blog somewhere else and people engage with it, you might as well move it here and earn a couple of dollars for what you were doing anyway.
When I joined, I asked an older user if they'd prefer to receive upvotes or comments (I was receiving upvotes and no comments). They replied "a bit of both". I wanted comments - others wanted money.
I've enjoyed the comments to this article. I enjoy the debate and it's clear that everybody has slightly different motivations / expectations and experiences here. Having followed @o1eh since he joined, I know there's been a challenge in knowing what path to take. I chose my path when I joined and decided it would be a different path to what everybody else was doing.
I was curious about this type of ratio earlier today and analysed a number of posts over a 12 hour period. 57 posts in total. I'd like you to guess how many comments were made (excluding voting services and moderators)and the average number of words for each comment.
how many well-developed, non skin-deep, intresting, heart-touching and time-consuming comments were made?..
well, as I am a pessimist... my bet is: one to zero.
ofc, I would be happy if I am wrong here.
other questions are: how much these certain folks gonna carry out, and were their posts / accounts rewarded for doing so (the last cannot be measured at all, I totally admit this myself - so this might be a metaphysical question).
I just see what I see with my own eyes. I can name myself... well, lets say: 4 to 6 Russian users that are truly engaged. So, maybe the true proportion isnt like I said. Note, I said: figurally... just to describe the schema. @datych, wanna come to join the conversation? but I feel ashamed myself to alert you on this, cause your life time is precious too...
I'll hold off sharing the answer to give o1eh (and maybe even datych) an opportunity to reply. Or maybe I'll sneak it into my next post as a mini-contest (I like to hide contests in my posts to reward people who take the time to read them ๐).
I'm sure @datych has kept up with all of my posts and is taking his time to think of the most entertaining reply - isn't that right? ๐
I think in 12 hours there can be about 20 comments. I mean comments of sentence length and more. And if you take into account the comments under the posts of the curators, it will be even more.
@qwerrie, @o1eh - So the 57 posts were all more than 12 hours old (so had slid down the feed) and were between 12 and 24 hours old. Excluding bidvote comments and moderators, there were 8 comments. Average length of 10 words.
E.g. "What a lovely day it is today for going out"
Or
"I really like your photo of a bug's head"
I.e. Not exactly high value comments. Maybe one of them was a full sentence and the rest were 2 words (I excluded the post where the author had replied "great post" to himself (twice)).
Wow, the statistics are worse than I thought.
It doesn't look good and I'd say WOX is one of the more interactive communities. I think it shows how significant the moderators contribution is to keep things interesting - I'm hoping there's something we can do to shift the dynamic. Too many are taking - Too few are giving.
1 day is not representative stats, but no surprise for a pessimist like me. 8-)
I did a bit more analysis earlier this morning over a 2 day time period with every post 2-3 days old - 146 posts. Hopefully I'll have a bit of time to write about it over the weekend.