Thanks Fiona, no worries and I know the situation is pretty dire for everyone so hope the full upvote here will help you out, it's not much, it's all I got left before my first powerdown pays out tomorrow 😃
I'll still blog on both platforms I think. As a content creator, it seems mad to cut off one supply when now we can double our rewards, especially as our content is platform agnostic.
Such a great and valuable publication. Thanks for sharing this "comprehensive" and long guide it with me :)
I shared it with few guys from project.hope. I think they may benefit from reading your article.
What this means for existing users of Steem is that everything will work exactly the same on Hive.
Kind of. Will we have steemd.com to check our voting power? Will we have steemauto and steemworld? What about steemconnect and steem keychain? Not many things will work exacly the same way on hive.
After recent events, putting together this latest Bluffer's Guide was a no-brainer given that the topic of decentralised governance
Hive will show if decentralized governance can work out. Right now HIVE will be fully centralized. More than steemit ever was. And no storytelling will change it. Hive will be absolutely dominated by group of few closely realted users/businesses and I can forsee that anyone having different view on their actions will be quickly silenced.
Not quite. Any account can choose which witnesses they want to vote for. On Hive, the distribution is a bit more balanced now that the massive 75-million SteemIt Inc. stake is gone.
This means: Hive is already more fair in terms of decentralization than Steem is currently.
Secondly, as for Hive "censoring" posts, I doubt that will happen. The group that started Hive did so specifically for decentralization. What you're claiming is an "if". Meanwhile, on Steem, posts are actively being censored. No "if", it's actually already happening where SteemIt Inc. has pushed changes to SteemIt.com that hide posts talking about Hive.
If you are worried about censorship, my move would be to go where things haven't been censored yet. Sure, it's early, it may happen in the future, but "may" is a whole lot better than "is".
Thanks a lot for this great article. It was quite hard to understand for me all that happened as I am only here since a little less than a year.
I have a question you may be able to answer : what will happen to communities ? I work a lot and use the steemleo community to share my blog/market analysis. And it is a very powerful tool for me. But will the steemleo community be driven into the hive ?
Thanks a lot @blesspatrick - I know how you feel. I've been here about 2 years now and there is a steep learning curve, I'm still learning now but hope to share what I know to make it a little easier!
Communities as in the hive communities? I believe they will all be on BOTH Steem and Hive chains but I can't speak for individual communities. I'll tag @steem.leo in here so that they might be able to answer - I also found a link to their Discord server that I had on a previous guide which you can join and ask them directly there.
I contacted them directly into the discord and received an answer. I post it here for all having the same questions :
“In the beginning days of the fork, you'll be able to interact with the same SteemLeo community on the Hive blockchain (using Hive.blog) or Steempeak Communities (when they're ready).
The Steemleo interface and LEO token won't be ready to move to Hive right when the hard fork happens.
A full post explaining what SteemLeo will be like post hard-fork will be released tomorrow.”
Thanks again for all your work and replies. Go on your great work @nickyhavey
One question - how will we move to Hive? Is there anything I ought to consider doing now? I know people are pulling delegations and powering down. Many have stopped posting already. It feels a lot like the Y2K buzz.
I'm carrying on as before for now, because I have no idea what else to do.
Hey @owasco! Thanks for checking it out and glad you found it helpful!
Firstly, the move to Hive is all automatic, you don't need to do anything, it's basically going to start off as a copy paste job with the Hive logo attached to it.
All pending payouts, delegations, balances (that includes in your 3 day savings), EVERYTHING, will move over.
I'm not sure why folks would be pulling delegations other than to powerdown more steem and sell it on the market when it's fully liquid. My guess is those folks will want to get some cash for their steem before everyone else dumps their steem and drives the price down I.e. The ones who definitely don't want to stay on the Steem chain but want to go fully to Hive chain.
Hope that made sense!
My advice, carry on doing what you're doing, there will be a transition period for those of us who are still trying to figure out what happened this last month but I hope this post clears the air a bit and whatever people decide, it's done with respect (that could be wishful thinking)!
Freaking out seems to be in style worldwide. I don't have enough value here to care about the money I might lose, and pulling delegations seems a lot like closing restaurants to protect ourselves from the common cold. I'll just carry on and not worry about, in part thanks to this post of yours. Thanks again for putting it together.
Haha well, I declare my blog a drama free zone 😁 I prefer finding things out, observing the views and actions from the different sides and then share the knowledge.
I have bought up about 24k steem with my own money so I don't want to wave goodbye to that just yet but I have also only bought what I could afford so also not too bothered if it goes to 0. I've spent more on other various liabilities (cars etc haha).
Keep on carrying on my friend, it will all work out in the end, I'm sure 😀
I don't want to be arrogant (I never have been) but with your nice explanations I could see that I was already in control of everything that was happening with steem - hive.
You know what? I am going to do the resteem (or "rehive"?) so that all my colleagues can read this clarifying post.
Hey Juan, glad you're already in control your end! That's what these guides are about as well, helping more experienced users reaffirm what they already know!
You're most welcome @porters and thanks for stopping by! Glad it has helped clear the air a little bit as there's been a lot of noise but we wait with anticipation for Hive!
I'm still getting a handle on using Steem. If I have all of my Steem locked up as SP do I have to wait two years to unlock it and move over to Hive or what?
It takes 13 weeks (at time of writing) to fully power down all your SP into liquid STEEM - so you'll get 13 equal amounts each week converted from SP to STEEM.
As for getting Hive tokens, there will be a "snapshot" in the next day or two of your current STEEM holdings and you will get the equivalent amount of Hive tokens on Hive when it launches at the weekend.
If you want to move the STEEM tokens over to Hive then you'll need to exchange them - @blocktrades just made a post saying they will create a STEEM/HIVE instant exchange if you have liquid STEEM you want to convert.
Ok cool, that helps a lot. The snapshot includes Steem powered up as SP then? (Ie. I don't have to start a powerdown before the "snapshot" in order to migrate to be airdropped Hive tokens?)
That's it, it includes it all, even pending post payouts, anything in savings and any conversions you have going on from SBD etc. The lot (that's what I've been lead to believe from when I asked in the Hive Discord a day or two ago). So you don't need to powerdown for the snapshot.
However, I think a lot will be powering down after the snapshot and then using their steem to buy Hive to get a stronger position over there...
Wow, this was a long but helpful read.
The guide important for newbies like me and i think i will have to bookmark this page on my browser, as this will make it easy for me to check back whenever i need a quick reminder.
Thanks a lot @papa-mensa, I'm glad you found it useful but I'm sure there will be more developments and things that need explaining as this space evolves!
Firstly, thanks for checking it out and leaving a comment, glad you found it useful.
As far as I know, I don't think HIVE is planning on doing that in the first instance - they are just going to be preventing new accounts voting on witnesses for the first 30 days. But I believe they will be having further discussions among the lead developers, witnesses and the community about how to tweak witness voting as time goes on.
The PAL Discord server is where a lot of the witnesses and developers are so you might be able to get an answer here is a link to that one. There is also a Hive Discord but I don't have a link for that one, sorry! Try PAL first - let me know if you get an answer 😃
As usual, clear and understandable. As you pointed out, I should have read it a while ago. Things are a little crazy.
Also, the comments and your responses are also useful.
I do hope that you continue with these guides. They're invaluable to those of us who just want to get on with the business of blogging!
Thanks Fiona, no worries and I know the situation is pretty dire for everyone so hope the full upvote here will help you out, it's not much, it's all I got left before my first powerdown pays out tomorrow 😃
I'll still blog on both platforms I think. As a content creator, it seems mad to cut off one supply when now we can double our rewards, especially as our content is platform agnostic.
Keep on blogging I say!
Dear @nickyhavey
Such a great and valuable publication. Thanks for sharing this "comprehensive" and long guide it with me :)
I shared it with few guys from project.hope. I think they may benefit from reading your article.
Kind of. Will we have steemd.com to check our voting power? Will we have steemauto and steemworld? What about steemconnect and steem keychain? Not many things will work exacly the same way on hive.
Hive will show if decentralized governance can work out. Right now HIVE will be fully centralized. More than steemit ever was. And no storytelling will change it. Hive will be absolutely dominated by group of few closely realted users/businesses and I can forsee that anyone having different view on their actions will be quickly silenced.
Yours, Piotr
Not quite. Any account can choose which witnesses they want to vote for. On Hive, the distribution is a bit more balanced now that the massive 75-million SteemIt Inc. stake is gone.
This means: Hive is already more fair in terms of decentralization than Steem is currently.
Secondly, as for Hive "censoring" posts, I doubt that will happen. The group that started Hive did so specifically for decentralization. What you're claiming is an "if". Meanwhile, on Steem, posts are actively being censored. No "if", it's actually already happening where SteemIt Inc. has pushed changes to SteemIt.com that hide posts talking about Hive.
If you are worried about censorship, my move would be to go where things haven't been censored yet. Sure, it's early, it may happen in the future, but "may" is a whole lot better than "is".
Thanks a lot for this great article. It was quite hard to understand for me all that happened as I am only here since a little less than a year.
I have a question you may be able to answer : what will happen to communities ? I work a lot and use the steemleo community to share my blog/market analysis. And it is a very powerful tool for me. But will the steemleo community be driven into the hive ?
Thanks a lot @blesspatrick - I know how you feel. I've been here about 2 years now and there is a steep learning curve, I'm still learning now but hope to share what I know to make it a little easier!
Communities as in the hive communities? I believe they will all be on BOTH Steem and Hive chains but I can't speak for individual communities. I'll tag @steem.leo in here so that they might be able to answer - I also found a link to their Discord server that I had on a previous guide which you can join and ask them directly there.
I contacted them directly into the discord and received an answer. I post it here for all having the same questions :
“In the beginning days of the fork, you'll be able to interact with the same SteemLeo community on the Hive blockchain (using Hive.blog) or Steempeak Communities (when they're ready).
The Steemleo interface and LEO token won't be ready to move to Hive right when the hard fork happens.
A full post explaining what SteemLeo will be like post hard-fork will be released tomorrow.”
Thanks again for all your work and replies. Go on your great work @nickyhavey
Fantastic! Thanks for relaying the response! I thought this might be the case but always better to ask directly!
Keep your eyes on that post from SteemLeo by the sounds of it then 😃
This is great! Thanks!
One question - how will we move to Hive? Is there anything I ought to consider doing now? I know people are pulling delegations and powering down. Many have stopped posting already. It feels a lot like the Y2K buzz.
I'm carrying on as before for now, because I have no idea what else to do.
Hey @owasco! Thanks for checking it out and glad you found it helpful!
Firstly, the move to Hive is all automatic, you don't need to do anything, it's basically going to start off as a copy paste job with the Hive logo attached to it.
All pending payouts, delegations, balances (that includes in your 3 day savings), EVERYTHING, will move over.
I'm not sure why folks would be pulling delegations other than to powerdown more steem and sell it on the market when it's fully liquid. My guess is those folks will want to get some cash for their steem before everyone else dumps their steem and drives the price down I.e. The ones who definitely don't want to stay on the Steem chain but want to go fully to Hive chain.
Hope that made sense!
My advice, carry on doing what you're doing, there will be a transition period for those of us who are still trying to figure out what happened this last month but I hope this post clears the air a bit and whatever people decide, it's done with respect (that could be wishful thinking)!
Freaking out seems to be in style worldwide. I don't have enough value here to care about the money I might lose, and pulling delegations seems a lot like closing restaurants to protect ourselves from the common cold. I'll just carry on and not worry about, in part thanks to this post of yours. Thanks again for putting it together.
Haha well, I declare my blog a drama free zone 😁 I prefer finding things out, observing the views and actions from the different sides and then share the knowledge.
I have bought up about 24k steem with my own money so I don't want to wave goodbye to that just yet but I have also only bought what I could afford so also not too bothered if it goes to 0. I've spent more on other various liabilities (cars etc haha).
Keep on carrying on my friend, it will all work out in the end, I'm sure 😀
Hello Friend.
I don't want to be arrogant (I never have been) but with your nice explanations I could see that I was already in control of everything that was happening with steem - hive.
You know what? I am going to do the resteem (or "rehive"?) so that all my colleagues can read this clarifying post.
Good one, buddy! Thank you.
Hey Juan, glad you're already in control your end! That's what these guides are about as well, helping more experienced users reaffirm what they already know!
Thanks for stopping by and checking it!
Who knows where we'll be in the next month hey?
I am totally convinced that we will be in the best place in the world!
My views well captured here.
It's what you want to see acted upon hence giving your rights to that person who you truly believes will act on your best faith.
Definitely and if you don't like the actions then you can easily unvote a witness and replace your vote with a new one that you trust.
Also good practice to review your witness votes regularly to make sure they are still active - some have been known to ghost without warning.
Thanks for stopping by and commenting 😀
Thank-you for putting together this information ! It helps clear up some confusion as we wait for the launch of the new blockchain HIVE!
You're most welcome @porters and thanks for stopping by! Glad it has helped clear the air a little bit as there's been a lot of noise but we wait with anticipation for Hive!
I'm still getting a handle on using Steem. If I have all of my Steem locked up as SP do I have to wait two years to unlock it and move over to Hive or what?
It's a never ending learning experience hey!
It takes 13 weeks (at time of writing) to fully power down all your SP into liquid STEEM - so you'll get 13 equal amounts each week converted from SP to STEEM.
As for getting Hive tokens, there will be a "snapshot" in the next day or two of your current STEEM holdings and you will get the equivalent amount of Hive tokens on Hive when it launches at the weekend.
If you want to move the STEEM tokens over to Hive then you'll need to exchange them - @blocktrades just made a post saying they will create a STEEM/HIVE instant exchange if you have liquid STEEM you want to convert.
Hope that helps 😀
Ok cool, that helps a lot. The snapshot includes Steem powered up as SP then? (Ie. I don't have to start a powerdown before the "snapshot" in order to migrate to be airdropped Hive tokens?)
That's it, it includes it all, even pending post payouts, anything in savings and any conversions you have going on from SBD etc. The lot (that's what I've been lead to believe from when I asked in the Hive Discord a day or two ago). So you don't need to powerdown for the snapshot.
However, I think a lot will be powering down after the snapshot and then using their steem to buy Hive to get a stronger position over there...
Yeah that makes sense. Ok I think I've got it now. Thank you @nickyhavey!
No worries @mark.ember! Happy to have helped 😁
Wow, this was a long but helpful read.
The guide important for newbies like me and i think i will have to bookmark this page on my browser, as this will make it easy for me to check back whenever i need a quick reminder.
Thanks a lot @papa-mensa, I'm glad you found it useful but I'm sure there will be more developments and things that need explaining as this space evolves!
Very well explained. Do you know if they are decreasing the number of votes each account gets for witnesses on HIVE?
Firstly, thanks for checking it out and leaving a comment, glad you found it useful.
As far as I know, I don't think HIVE is planning on doing that in the first instance - they are just going to be preventing new accounts voting on witnesses for the first 30 days. But I believe they will be having further discussions among the lead developers, witnesses and the community about how to tweak witness voting as time goes on.
The PAL Discord server is where a lot of the witnesses and developers are so you might be able to get an answer here is a link to that one. There is also a Hive Discord but I don't have a link for that one, sorry! Try PAL first - let me know if you get an answer 😃