SP Delegations - Curators' Opinion x bot/community
This post is a #comment on a Steemit POD Team post see here
Dear @o1eh,
I tried upex with my community and it was not clear to me at all what would happen or how much I would receive which was perhaps about 0.01 not worth delegating a part of my SP.
Besides that, I am very active and read, upvote and comment many with more than one account.
I noticed many small accounts bump into this option without knowing what it is. Not even mods make them wiser.
Unlike "smart" Steemians I upvote content and comments regardless of the wallet of the account holder and if only 0.01 is received I make sure it's higher so a payout is guaranteed (no dust).
Upvoting this type of content is not rewarding (curate rewards) and for upvoting comments I need more SP to achieve the same result. Better not ask how many hours per day I invest in upvoting only.
BTW I know plenty of users who delegated only a part and are active and do manually upvote.
I find it harsh to state everyone delegating to a bot is anti-social and no part of Steemit and those delegating to a community for profit are the good Steemians.
If we would investigate these delegations you might be shocked. Should we look deeper into an account (posts, blog, notifications) before we upvote? 🤔
As a member of WOX, you are aware they but also Steemit's top became rich by using upvote bots for sure you support this side as well. Back then I did not understand how bots worked like most of Steemit but I did find it odd those who announced it was "forbidden" from that moment on were also the Steemians who started it and gained their fortune this way.
If you can share what active/supportive or loyal to steemit means and how you check it please let me know.
Also: Can it be the more dolphins the more one can ignore all the rules?
Active Steemians
I noticed not all curators for September are active Steemians and as I understand there's no rule set by "The Steemit Team" to not upvote "inactive" Steemians (rarely posting or <4 per week) or those using an upvote bot (I am sure you know we are not talking about big fish with Steemit Schools and so on).
Another thought I like to share
What has Steemit to offer for (big) investors, those people the platform urgently needs? Since they refuse to be here most of us are turned into investors with or without a club.
An investor likes to see interest/profit since he cannot use his capital to work with.
Unlike you, I have bad experiences if it comes to trusting communities, admins and mods so your suggestion to delegate to a community won't work for me...
Conclusion?
What you describe about delegating to the community is not different from bitbots. You know what I always found the worst? That communities demand a certain amount. With that attitude, you shut out everyone with low SP. Why not be happy with whatever amount one is willing to delegate if it is about "growing" the community?
Delegating to a community or bitbot is the same:you receive an upvote from a bot (the upvote is automatically set) no matter if you post a copy of an update, winners of a contest or an article. No one checks if you engaged that day, answered 150 notifications gave valuable upvotes (CSI is easy to fool) and if you spend 3 hours per day on Steemit or like me spend 15+. Next, you are extra rewarded and I am not. 🤔
Communities want to be stronger because? (SEC, Booming Votes, or?)
I wonder.... one day we get older, someone takes over... are all members supported, will the Admins fight and take the wallet, a former owner might show up and start a fight or.... the delegator gets angry and threats he takes his support and the community collapses...
I have many thoughts and the comment section is too small to see what I write so a post it is.
Thank you for taking the time to answer. I wish you a great September curating tour and wouldn't know why the curator status would be taken away from you, diversity is the key. The more views, the more chances.
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@wakeupkitty
P.s. There was no need to tell me you never masturbate. BTW @stef1 has a post you might like to read.
Links
• Steem POD Team
• Upvotebots = bots = bitbots
• Steemit Curators - subtopic Elections
1.9.2024
Thank you Kitty for tagging me, first of all I love reading your posts and comments they are very different from any others because you write what you think and you are direct that is not common in social media.
I remember we were talking about Upvote bots and also about support or not support by SCx accounts.
I think in e very single case it is different and also the same. To tell the truth it was time few years ago when I also delegated to Upvu a half of Sp and with the other half I used to support others. You probably can guess that the amount of people who were commenting and visiting my blog dramatically reduced. Despite of that I continued to do Crowdfunding and highlighting others and the Steemit Team continued to support such Initiative. After about 6 months I returned my delegation and doing manual upvotes as well as autovotes (BTW I probably need to write about autovotes too when I have time)
In my opinion, the mechanism of delegating to Upvotebots and also to Communities has similarity, even now we receive often the messages when the communities asking for delegation in response offer their Upvote, of course , majority of communities are small but for users with small SP it is a good chance to get any upvote.
I also agree community account and delegations, it was again time before you joined there were few community accounts that closed down the account and left Steemit with all the earned SP, the other community needed to give to all the users the Steem but it was much less so people got angry about all the stuff.
In my opinion I would not put everyone on the same scale like delegated then you are a bad guy and if support or not support should be decided in every single case separately.
You have made it clear that it is not as black and white as painted and to know whether someone adds something to Steemit all aspects have to be taken into account and figuring that out takes too much time or lies to the relevant moderator or curator.
The uovotebot story is still not entirely clear to me and neither is how much can be earned with this as an investor. An investor, which is anyone who leaves their Steem in the wallet, and they will definitely want to make a profit (let their money work for them.
Following a comment in 'Monkey Business' it has become clear to me that Steem is not attractive to investors for 2 reasons (3?):
1 it is more for the long term
2 burnsteem does not sound attractive
(3 an investor has to post to make a profit?)
When it comes to followers to my opinion those who only stay for one's wallet or the high prizes they are rewarded with... They should nicely find another idiot. (new topic 'followers'?)
I never made a friend with giving upvotes nor with paying prize money.🤔
Perhaps a piece of jealousy that someone else succeeds in something you can't manage yourself?
As far as being a curator is concerned, fear of not being allowed to curate again, being noticed, the own 'norms and values', the power to decide who is/isn't good, perhaps more income in the long run and much more (preference for a subject, feeling of injustice) will definitely also play a role in who gets an upvote and who doesn't.
Thanks for sharing your thought and experiences. How many if those followers you upvoted and dumped you are today where you are? For sure this can be interesting to figure out.
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There are couple of reasons why Steem is attractive for Investors, here is our old friend @karja, who stopped posting few years ago, but set his account to automatic curation of users around 3 minute, having 300K SP he earns curation reward appr. 200 Steem a day
To burnsteem like it is now on Steemit it will not make Steem value to go up, because the amount that burnt is too low and it is done by only small acount. The suggestion to introduce Burnsteem automatically for everyone who is posting less % but for all would probably make its different but the big account did not want that.
When an Investor wants to post too then for him it is beneficial to Delegate to Upvote bot because then he gets daily automated curation by large account and gets daily dividends. This way they can still withdraw Steem after receiving rewards from posts too.
So there are three reasons and that is why Investors who are here will not leave so long they can earn this way
I think if this can be said in short (pamflet) it is the method to attract investors. 🤔
Upvote bots were something that a lot of people benefited from in the past to grow their Steem and reputation. For those of us who didn’t have large SP, we bought upvotes with Steem.
But for me, it had a negative impact because many people would just post one picture and a few lines, yet they would end up getting big upvotes from these bots.
Things like this started killing the spirit of the community, and many chose the upvote bot option where you didn’t need to put in much effort, yet you still received good upvotes.
And the creative writers they asked fir and are still around are not rewarded till today.
I wonder.. If you would have had enough SP what would you do? Use the bidbot or delegate to a community and...
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I believe stopping by in a letter not directed to me is no breach, steemians must always comment somewhere.
I have heard of these upvotebots over and over again but I don't know the working principles of these bots, may I know more about it and why it is wrong for the Steemit team?
I believe writing a long comment no one reads although it can be informative is a waste of time. What do you think? It took me 3.5 hours to write this.
Have a look at the link in the text or look for the topic Upvotebots where @stef1 explains how it works and also discusses if it is good or bad.
For now we can say that the Steemit Team is not against it and curators can upvote.
Okay I will definitely read them, dove11 spoke of the same thing, i feel it beginning to become relevant but a post is better and I suggest very important point, a broad suggestion can be written on a post, but if the post topic is in relation to what your comment portray , I don't think there is a problem.
3.5 hours to write?, That's way too large massive
15hours +, on Steemit to me I feel like I spend a whole day everyday, no web2 social media just steemit
Thank you, we are all entitled to our own opinions 🙂. I heard your opinion. I find it okay to vote for anyone from my personal account. Using the resources of the Steemit team, we have established the rules described in the Curation Guideline and will adhere to them.
Thanks for stopoing by and the good talk. 🍀♥️
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