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RE: Joe Rogan Needs A Mindware Upgrade - Vegans are Not Earth's Enemy! (Project Much?)
For argument sake (and that's what it mostly is) I completely disagree with your thoughts on this topic. Rogan does go a bit extreme with his unsatiable attitude on eating meat. The fact is he does promote sustainable living and most vegans are so in your face that it has become a cult, like he said. I think we just need to agree to disagree on this issue
I fully agree - nearly every vegan I encounter online or through our business www.naturefoods.co.nz is militant, in-yer-face and pretty clueless!
We sell lots of animal products to ex-vegans with a bunch of nutrient deficiencies!
Personally, I know many militant vegans. Usually they are people new to veganism and therefore get a bit overly excited when it comes to the subject. However, most vegans are generally pretty chill, fact based people.
I agree with this! ‘Baby’ vegans are usually the most angry because it’s so fresh. When I first became vegan I told everyone I knew that i was a vegan, even people I didn’t know or that didn’t ask. I wanted to start conversations just to be able to throw facts at people. I have since calmed down and only address things when necessary. I will talk all day long to someone who will listen but will quickly end a conversation if it seems to be turning angry. Calm, rational conversations are the only ones I will have because I don’t need to give vegans any more of a negative reputation than we have unfortunately. A reputation I believe we have due to people’s own guilt more than the militant vegan.
Yup, same here. I just chill and mind my own business nowadays. If people ask about it, I give them the facts. For the most part I focus on leading by example.
As stated by Paul in his video, it is not sustainable in any sense to eat meat. The basic maths involved, regarding the quantities of material and space required for us all to eat meat, show this to be the case. What happens when a cult becomes so 'normal' that it is the prevailing attitude? Is it still a cult? Is there a hidden cult of meat eaters?
Like I said, we need to agree to disagree on this issue. No sense arguing about it on this type of thread
You 'argument' is 'Let agree to disagree'...That is not argument in any sense.
What is happening in my opinion is that meat eaters feel threaten by vegans who are just openly saying their opinion. In mind of meat eaters that sound like attack and try to force them to change.
Please work on your reading skills, then comment on what I said. There is now way to have an actual discussion in a setup like this, it would basically be something like two teams arguing where there can only be one winner. That's the problem with society these days, it's not okay to disagree with someones point without the other person getting offended and insults start flying around.
The inability to see something from someone elses perspective is probably the biggest problem we face as a species. I completely disagree with what @ura-soul but I still appreciate the fact that he has an opinion on the matter and took the time to write about something that is important to him. That's why I gave him an upvote, put in my 2 cents and left it at that.
So let me clear things up for you, you're right, I am not putting forth an argument in any way, I'm leaving my opinion and that is it.
Let me also clear up one more thing for you. I am an omnivore, like 99.9% of the human population, I don't eat just meat and I am in no way shape or form threatened by any vegans.
Fair enough. Rarely someone 'admit' he didn't offer any argument.
Problem with conversation where no arguments are offered is obvious...there are no argument to discuss about. Saying 'I disagree.' and offering no arguments is pretty useless. Subject of conversation is not important.
(99.9% of human population are not omnivores)
I'm vegan and know a lot of vegans. Don't know one who is forcing meat eaters to become vegan. How many times vegan personally attack you and tried to force you to become vegan?