This is clearly a topic that needs more research.
To summarise, state, or advise on this in any other way
could lead to a worse error than the one already committed.
Rule 1 of Fightless Club:
Always Check With The Women First
Rule 2 of Fightless Club: You Better Always Check With The Women First
Rule 3 of Fightless Club: Refer to Rule 1 & 2 With Prejudice
i'm still at the stage where i'm trying to trick them
haven't given up all hope yet
Understandable that stage may last years, sometimes half a life time, I suppose it depends on the depth of your guile and game. Best wishes to you then.