just another way we can engage this battle from a different direction. @fulltimegeek is going at it direct, but there are many ways to support his efforts. By adding a few community minded witnesses that "understand" the issues, we might even wake a few of them up. Hint: we don't have to win all the seats, just enough to make them pay attention to what is important to the people.
This was one of my campaign banners when I ran in 2016.
Is there a way to find out the witnesses campaigns, so to speak? Most of the time I don't really know who to vote for because I don't know what they stand for. I currently vote for those who I've seen being supportive across the board.
I am so glad you asked that @minismallholding (love the name btw)... I completely understand, and that is why we are gearing up for a series of witness interviews. We already have 4 lined up and plan on having as many as possible. #newbieresteemday and several other groups will be doing the promotion. Keep your eyes open as it should be coming with a few weeks. If you have any suggestions or contacts, you may get ahold of our lead guy on this @mellofello ... Thanks for the question, I'm glad you brought it up!
Agreed, but my thoughts are that we get new witnesses that encourage community building behavior. Why fund the people that let the abuse occur? Threaten to cut off their source of money and they will modify behavior rather quickly!
Is there a 'quick list' of which witnesses own which bots? I'm sure I could go and dig them bit by bit but it's 3.30am right now and I might not make it to the end...
but you need to use 47 of them to get anymore viewers.
Thank you for putting that out there. I already worked out that you're never going to do more than break even on what you pay for them, but wondered whether they were used more for getting on trending. I guess not unless you've got a lot to shell out in the first place.
so others are doing it and some are even abusing it you could say, dunno I've bought upvotes, but I just feel sad this place is less and less "human" plus the other sad part is how it's built to favor just that, how people even enjoy it and like it...
While I'm happy with that on one level - it's a stark reminder that the 'financial clout' of these two massive communities put together is nothing compared to the power of a few people's capital.
love your rant @fulltimegeek . Unsure if you are aware but i am fully funding my own UI build for Steem and would and could use your influence, assistance, connections, and anything you can do to help me raise enough funding to build my UI. I have allocated about 2k USD for my devs to help me build this, and i have created all the UX/ UI and have one other helper for some minor design work. At this time i know you are fighting the fight but i was curious since you delegated to me freely perhaps you have the right clientele to help me get my project going and completed. Unsure how much work there is to do, im getting an estimate today/tomorrow on my build so far. I have a github for the work. Im looking for anyone that knows the platform or knows react. IF anyone would like to donate SBD to @sugarsteem that'd be great, at least i know then that my out of pocket money is helping towards the bettering of a bomb UI for steem. Please let me know if you have any ideas to assist in my build. I'll definitely take on designers, react developers or kind big whales that can donate SBD or Steem power to my build. Much appreciated and I LOVE these videos dude. they make me laugh rediculously hard. hahahah. thanks man :)
lol, thanks for watching the vid. I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Regarding funding dev work, have you been leveraging the Utopian.io platform? I'm under the impression that they support open-source projects. I will surely try to do what I can via upvotes as well. I'll also keep an eye for other possible contributors.
hmm... i have had some chatter about utopian-io from @cryptoctopus but am unsure how that all works sadly im still too new. I would like to build this UI with the intention of helping the community but also by creating a way to make an impression here as well as make Steem as a benificiary for my build. I am unsure if utopian allows that? no idea... My goal is to build something amazing and improved for all of steem to build but also have an outlet for myself that could be profitable as well. Long term goal would be to build it full time for a while. and teach scuba on the weekends lol... So many ppl here are doing so many things i dont fully understand collecting an income from bitbots, to witnesses, to server hosts etc. Im just trying to use my skills to get in on a piece of the pie. i just hate the UI's that we are limited to access Steem. So i plan to build my own that is more fluid with the community. So i am unsure about Utopian. I think that is why ive been a little bit standoffish. Again it could be because i dont understand the platform as well as you or others and could def appreciate some guidance and help. let me know what you think or how best for me to grow and im totally down. :)
haha... love it.. nice to hear your rants! I particularly think the point about people complaining and not doing anything about it... If you want something done, then do it. Don't talk about it, just make it happen!
Great job of leading the pack and I know I speak for many when I say that you have earned our respect! Thank you @fulltimegeek! :)
I think EOS will kill steemit in the future if someone will not take action in the problems of steemit. But the problems is what steemit is created as, things just grows like a monster to haunt us, a snowball effect happens on accounts which really is not the fault of account owners.
I'm glad that one whom I have high regards for have just spoken. All issues needs to be addressed. I would like to respond to no. # 2 , use of bid bots. It was really amazing when I joined this platform a year ago and Steemians were generous with votes. After HF 19.0 , many are not as generous as they used to be. No one really cares much about good content these days. Believe it or not! Many are helping their families, friends, the poor & needy people with what they generate from they posts. When they see that their posts do not get what they think it should get, they resort to using bid bots. I understand that some Steemians use bots too to promote their posts to the trending page. Many of us are guilty of this, even some Steem witnesses. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on these issues.
It’s a real shame more people are not turning to community to get the outreach and engagement on their blogs. Some people spend a rather large portion of time on creating the content but not going out and in an ethical manner getting more views to. Instead they spend a truck load of money and have a high chance of just breaking even or taking a loss. Seems rather counterproductive.
I’ve been in and out of a few communities. I’ve had many success in past but there are also downsides as well. I still think despite the downsides people should be investing into and finding places to help build them up. I'd take investing time and energy into a community over sending someone 20 SBD for an upvote.
The amount of voting power getting locked away for bid bots is going to be a bigger and bigger issue in the future.They get to double dip in both collecting often times more money than the vote is worth on top of getting curation rewards.
Joined beginning of this month. Noticed that most of my new "followers" were all bots. Hilariously, my own laziness had me to not engage them.
While I see the efficiency and the earning potential of utilizing them, they take away the actual organic part of the platform. It's extremely ironic to hop on a "social" media just so you can use bots to interact with others.
Yes, I understand the disappointment that comes with earning "nothing" from your content, but that is part of progress.
@someguy123, are you reading this? What's there from development side that could help this platform?
Number 2 item and number 6 got my attention. And funny enough they got same comment.
Around 15 out of the top 20 witnesses own or delegate to bid-bots.
I used one today to promote my 'hey i'll pay you to curate and engage league', but you need to use 47 of them to get anymore viewers.
And when I look a trending... naaa
Peace!
how about we find a way to change that Asher! ;)
That is certainly an idea........ :)
just another way we can engage this battle from a different direction. @fulltimegeek is going at it direct, but there are many ways to support his efforts. By adding a few community minded witnesses that "understand" the issues, we might even wake a few of them up. Hint: we don't have to win all the seats, just enough to make them pay attention to what is important to the people.
This was one of my campaign banners when I ran in 2016.
Is there a way to find out the witnesses campaigns, so to speak? Most of the time I don't really know who to vote for because I don't know what they stand for. I currently vote for those who I've seen being supportive across the board.
I am so glad you asked that @minismallholding (love the name btw)... I completely understand, and that is why we are gearing up for a series of witness interviews. We already have 4 lined up and plan on having as many as possible. #newbieresteemday and several other groups will be doing the promotion. Keep your eyes open as it should be coming with a few weeks. If you have any suggestions or contacts, you may get ahold of our lead guy on this @mellofello ... Thanks for the question, I'm glad you brought it up!
Good to hear, thanks for to you all for taking the time to do this.
You're certainly welcome... And hopefully we help connect people to the witnesses they would really like!
@davemccoy I think we already have a way. We all stop using these bots altogether and we will do good.
Agreed, but my thoughts are that we get new witnesses that encourage community building behavior. Why fund the people that let the abuse occur? Threaten to cut off their source of money and they will modify behavior rather quickly!
absolutely.
I will check through my witness votes now and see who's naughty or nice. I really can't see these bots helping the network in the long run.
Is there a 'quick list' of which witnesses own which bots? I'm sure I could go and dig them bit by bit but it's 3.30am right now and I might not make it to the end...
Thank you.
No, the bottracker page doesn't list that :)
I got half way through a list before but I will try to finish one soon.
Do let me know when it is ready. Thank you.
Ready.
Got it - thanks for your work on that list.
No problem. May have got away without angering anyone :)
Maybe wear a disguise and a big hat for a few days...
Where is it? Checked your blog and nothing looked relative. Will gladly shift my witness votes from any running a bot.
Thank you for putting that out there. I already worked out that you're never going to do more than break even on what you pay for them, but wondered whether they were used more for getting on trending. I guess not unless you've got a lot to shell out in the first place.
no worries :)
For trending, you are looking at 150-200 SBD. And perhaps a 25% loss on that in returns. But hey, you'll pick up a load of clueless followers!!
Lol! Very good point!
You pickup a lot of this:
Good post.
I followed you, you follow me.
I like your picture so I followed you.
Thanks for this post!!
so others are doing it and some are even abusing it you could say, dunno I've bought upvotes, but I just feel sad this place is less and less "human" plus the other sad part is how it's built to favor just that, how people even enjoy it and like it...
It's grim - My last post got both @sndbox-alpha 'd and @curie 'd - $45.
While I'm happy with that on one level - it's a stark reminder that the 'financial clout' of these two massive communities put together is nothing compared to the power of a few people's capital.
Yes indeed.
Well done though! I may know who pushed that one to curie :)
Omg! This video was awesome! Ahahah you have a hilarious personality, and your eyebrows express a lot.
Also totally agree with you on your rants! Hahahah spits 😂
love your rant @fulltimegeek . Unsure if you are aware but i am fully funding my own UI build for Steem and would and could use your influence, assistance, connections, and anything you can do to help me raise enough funding to build my UI. I have allocated about 2k USD for my devs to help me build this, and i have created all the UX/ UI and have one other helper for some minor design work. At this time i know you are fighting the fight but i was curious since you delegated to me freely perhaps you have the right clientele to help me get my project going and completed. Unsure how much work there is to do, im getting an estimate today/tomorrow on my build so far. I have a github for the work. Im looking for anyone that knows the platform or knows react. IF anyone would like to donate SBD to @sugarsteem that'd be great, at least i know then that my out of pocket money is helping towards the bettering of a bomb UI for steem. Please let me know if you have any ideas to assist in my build. I'll definitely take on designers, react developers or kind big whales that can donate SBD or Steem power to my build. Much appreciated and I LOVE these videos dude. they make me laugh rediculously hard. hahahah. thanks man :)
lol, thanks for watching the vid. I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Regarding funding dev work, have you been leveraging the Utopian.io platform? I'm under the impression that they support open-source projects. I will surely try to do what I can via upvotes as well. I'll also keep an eye for other possible contributors.
hmm... i have had some chatter about utopian-io from @cryptoctopus but am unsure how that all works sadly im still too new. I would like to build this UI with the intention of helping the community but also by creating a way to make an impression here as well as make Steem as a benificiary for my build. I am unsure if utopian allows that? no idea... My goal is to build something amazing and improved for all of steem to build but also have an outlet for myself that could be profitable as well. Long term goal would be to build it full time for a while. and teach scuba on the weekends lol... So many ppl here are doing so many things i dont fully understand collecting an income from bitbots, to witnesses, to server hosts etc. Im just trying to use my skills to get in on a piece of the pie. i just hate the UI's that we are limited to access Steem. So i plan to build my own that is more fluid with the community. So i am unsure about Utopian. I think that is why ive been a little bit standoffish. Again it could be because i dont understand the platform as well as you or others and could def appreciate some guidance and help. let me know what you think or how best for me to grow and im totally down. :)
haha... love it.. nice to hear your rants! I particularly think the point about people complaining and not doing anything about it... If you want something done, then do it. Don't talk about it, just make it happen!
Great job of leading the pack and I know I speak for many when I say that you have earned our respect! Thank you @fulltimegeek! :)
Amen brother, you just described everything to a T in under 3mins!
He sure did!
I think EOS will kill steemit in the future if someone will not take action in the problems of steemit. But the problems is what steemit is created as, things just grows like a monster to haunt us, a snowball effect happens on accounts which really is not the fault of account owners.
This great video I vote good to follow you and liking. Your follow and like on me I think. Nice good work yes.
So good to see ewe <3
lol
You're just encouraging the noobs to comment like this with all those upvotes you've got from people who know what're you're doing. xD
I'm glad that one whom I have high regards for have just spoken. All issues needs to be addressed. I would like to respond to no. # 2 , use of bid bots. It was really amazing when I joined this platform a year ago and Steemians were generous with votes. After HF 19.0 , many are not as generous as they used to be. No one really cares much about good content these days. Believe it or not! Many are helping their families, friends, the poor & needy people with what they generate from they posts. When they see that their posts do not get what they think it should get, they resort to using bid bots. I understand that some Steemians use bots too to promote their posts to the trending page. Many of us are guilty of this, even some Steem witnesses. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on these issues.
@maryfavour.
It’s a real shame more people are not turning to community to get the outreach and engagement on their blogs. Some people spend a rather large portion of time on creating the content but not going out and in an ethical manner getting more views to. Instead they spend a truck load of money and have a high chance of just breaking even or taking a loss. Seems rather counterproductive.
I’ve been in and out of a few communities. I’ve had many success in past but there are also downsides as well. I still think despite the downsides people should be investing into and finding places to help build them up. I'd take investing time and energy into a community over sending someone 20 SBD for an upvote.
The amount of voting power getting locked away for bid bots is going to be a bigger and bigger issue in the future.They get to double dip in both collecting often times more money than the vote is worth on top of getting curation rewards.
Joined beginning of this month. Noticed that most of my new "followers" were all bots. Hilariously, my own laziness had me to not engage them.
While I see the efficiency and the earning potential of utilizing them, they take away the actual organic part of the platform. It's extremely ironic to hop on a "social" media just so you can use bots to interact with others.
Yes, I understand the disappointment that comes with earning "nothing" from your content, but that is part of progress.
@someguy123, are you reading this? What's there from development side that could help this platform?