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RE: Star Trek Is Pretty Much North Korea In Space
Both of you need to understand that it is a militaristic body of governance that has control over all resources. It is the etymology of totalitarian dictatorship under a socialist political system.
Every country claims its army is for "defence" purposes, even today, much like in Star Trek. What one country "SAIS" it is or represents and what it "DOES" are entirely different things. Everyone is judged from their actions, not their words.
I know, its hard to digest but do it. It's pathetic to lose every single argument you enter.
"has control over all resources. "
This is the problem. The hypothetical star trek world (which, again, I concede is unrealistic and saccharine in this regard) has little more control over all resources than the US government has control over all grains of sand. Energy is so plentiful that economy is not needed. Energy is the grains of sand.
"What one country "SAIS" it is or represents and what it "DOES" are entirely different things."
Yeah, except, the Federation DOES WHAT IT SAYS in the show with few exceptions, making this point meaningless.
"It's pathetic to lose every single argument you enter."
Desperate projection. These comments will embarrass you later, and reflect on you in the block-chain forever.
But it is needed. It controls literally everything. If it was not needed it would not have existed. We even see abuse of power plenty of times in many episodes (even in the recent movies).
Not really. The Federation in many instances had militaristic ambitions and the crew intervened. Picard and even Janeway got arrested and/or got in trouble for intervening with the federation's ambitions.
maybe but so far you are appearing desperate. you decided to enter this debate on false grounds based on your sourness from last time. Anyways. do go on.
"We even see abuse of power plenty of times in many episodes (even in the recent movies)."
True, but I don't see how it proves your article true. In fact, it sort of does the opposite. The abuses of power are so rare, and so neatly wrapped up with a happy ending (like only a TV show can provide), that it really just shows how far the Federation is from NK. It's the least banana-republic government of all time.
It is worth noting that the new movies take place in an alternate universe (I think), so they would be a separate discussion from the main Star Trek series, which is all in one universe. I don't know the new movies so well, it is possible everything you say is true in the movies, but I am only discussing the TV show.
"you decided to enter this debate on false grounds based on your sourness from last time. "
More projection. Take this discussion to 10 third parties and they will tell you that you are losing badly because you refuse to respond to the cited facts, and instead rely on unsupported ad hominem. You ignore the fact that I praise your artwork, or your comments that are good, and reduce your data size to fit your preconceived feelings.'
You should focus on your art, as you are much better at that than civil discourse.
Again I ask you to reconcile your statement that all Federation civilians must go through the academy. It is provably false. I have given you several counter examples that are not debatable. Respond or retract.
I said plenty of times. No need to list the all. It nearly destroyed the planet once. also, they had absolute power on earth. hard to be challenged by anyone. NK has a banana republic as well. I mean, who is going to go against it?
responded to each and every one. Btw, your assumptions are not facts. They are just assumptions that they have been proven false. :)
nonetheless. do try again.
never said that. I actually dare you to copy-paste where I said that. I simply said that everybody who wanted to join the explorative missions had to join the academy and that it was the highest ground of recognition.
I am responsible for what I say, not what you think I say so you can make an argument. Better get back to studying basic economics. Try Thomas Sowell.
Fine, challenge accepted:
"They all work for the government and the greatest aspiration was to join one of the Space ships crews."
No, they do not all work for the government. That is false. That is what you claimed after I said this: " There are tons of respected scientists, artists, merchants and other character in Star Trek. "
"there was no value in people's ability other than moving ranks in the military."
This, though unnecessary to add, further shows you do not know what you are talking about.
I'm done debating with you on good faith, you are an ideologue and a waste of time. Your mind is closed and you ignore demonstrable fact.
the government controls everything, there is no money. everybody is on the doll for everything. the government literally owns the people. it controls the entire species under a specific protocol.
it was made clear in plenty of episodes. Even when Picard was remembering his early years with the rival friend..how they wanted to escape the mundane reality of earth.
You keep using "demonstrable fact". Just because you say it boy, it doesn't mean it is.
"militaristic body of governance "
Define this term. Is it any governing body with a military? Because, if you don't define it that way (and I sure don't), the Federation is not one. It has a civilian president.
All the resources and decisions are taken from a governing body that controls everything. They have all the weapons. All the power.
Which was time after time irrelevant. The decisions were taken from the military. In one episode he couldn't even Veto without some majority support.