You might see him as a symbol, and who was jesus than? Son of a symbol ? The whole story about jozef and maria? And the 3 wise that came? I think it would be good to stick hands in own pockets to take the complements being a good persons, and also take the blame when caused your self, by mistake or on purpose. Do not put it down to god will or his ways are endless, start all showing that god than that you all know and behave like it. And that is the part that is so annoying, when any of thus sounds or feels wrong it can be due to my english, i do not want to speak without respect about believing, i just want more knowing. We seem to learn very slow, even mistakes out of the past we still pray to change in situations now, and when it does not go like you prayd for, we say god wanted it different. This can be a comfort but it is also so layed back, and a hidden sign of disrespect. But i am sorry to started tjis on papa peppers post. I do love his story up to chapter 12 now