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does that mean you have no idea what you are talking about and now you are trying to divert the conversation?

From your VAST reading of ancient civilatzations and your intense scrutiny of the news.
have you noticed that crime is more prevalent in high density populations?

Take the same NUMBER of people...spread em out..or squish em all up in one place...what happens ...crime wise?

I'm not denying that that's certainly a possible consequence of overcrowding. However, we usually see these types of extreme primacy and even cannibalism in nations of complete dearth, such as Liberia, where people are obviously not having their basic needs met.
This is in stark contrast to Calhoun"s experiment, in which the rats did have their needs attended to.
Had you brought this up in the first place, I would have been more than willing to engage in discourse.

no you wouldn't have.
how bout this..
“to be poor in America is to live a life better than most have lived through history.” Fox put up a graphic that showed the “poorest fifth of Americans are now 17 percent richer than they were in 1967,” according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

utopia by the standards of 99.99 percent of humans who have ever lived.

Yes I would have. You went full ad hominem for some reason and gave no indication of your actual opinion.

The poorest fifth is living on wellfare and food stamps. Part of the criteria for utopia is missing when we consider the crime rates of the areas in which that fifth of people reside.

You went full ad hominem
I did NOT..quote it

for some reason and gave no indication of your actual opinion.
exactly right. I expressed no opinion. My opinion isn't being discussed. Your ad homineum remarks are. I'm asking you to support your assertion...and you post pictures of lolipops.

"Have you ever watched the news or read a history book?"
You also claimed that I said Calhoun is "mentally unstable" even though I didn't. An obvious attempt to distort facts in your favor.

That meme applies to you so it's relevant. You're mad.

it was an honest question...have you?
I quoted your remark about calhoun
ah..speaking of ad homineum attacks...
*ad hominem
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.

I'd say that when you said to me "You're mad"
that qualified.

Yeah well it takes 2 to tango.
And again, that was a question posed to the reader, not a statement.

how did the poorest fifth of the people live that you read about is your VAST reading of history?

Which era are you referring to? Where? The fifth Kingdom of Egypt? Italian Renaissance? Hellenistic Greece? Feudal Japan?
The quality of life of the poorest class differs very much depending on the era to which they belong.

You're trying to call me out, but I don't think you know what you're talking about or what a utopia even is.

of course I do..
The term utopia was coined from Greek by Sir Thomas More for his 1516 book Utopia, describing a fictional island society in the Atlantic Ocean. The word comes from Greek: οὐ ("not") and τόπος ("place") and means "no-place", and strictly describes any non-existent society 'described in considerable detail'.

it's a literary metaphor.

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