EOS Block One Announcement: Disappointed by Voice
Hello all,
As you might know, Block One of EOS had their big announcement today. They spoke about various things, improvements in EOS, making things faster, using Yubi-keys, integration with Coinbase, all cool stuff, I'm still very excited about EOS and will probably buy more soon.
But then they also announced the new social media called Voice.
Huge disappointment
This basically says it all. I could end the post right here.
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But I won't, I had a brief interaction with none other then the Big Dan himself on the telegram. And straight from the horses mouth he told me point-blank that I would have to doxx myself to get on the Voice platform.
I was indignant and pointed out to him that I had a powerful voice on Steemit, and that no one thinks I'm a bot there, and I never had to doxx myself.
And if you visit the site: https://voice.com/
you can confirm the same:
Are you a human?
If so, you’re ready to make a profile! We use a special authentication system to make sure every user on Voice is an actual person. No robo-mobs. No catfish. No burner accounts.
Also
Geographic Restrictions on Voice token eligibility and participation may apply.
Lovely, geographic restrictions. Is there some reason we are kissing the governments ass? What was the point of crypto-currency again? Someone remind me.
And sure, I could sign up to Voice with my normal "John Smith" identity and talk about...I don't even know, what I ate for breakfast? How boring. I don't want to doxx myself.
Voice seems to be similar to Steem, except there is no staking or power, you just get tokens from others voting on you and can spend tokens to push your comments up. So there is no particular reason for me to stock up on Voice tokens anyways.
Loan platform?
Would I be able to use Voice as a loan platform? Very unlikely it seems. It would not be allowed for people to turn over their accounts to me as collateral.
In Steem I can be Superman
(pic from https://superman.fandom.com)
In Voice, I'm forced to be Clark Kent
(pic from https://therationalmale.com)
The choice is obvious.
Long Live Steem!
And we were so worried about the "EOS Steem Killer". This is actually good news for Steem, time to buy more Steem, really.
I understand Steem has problems
Look I get it, the bots and Trolls in Steem are annoying, Steem has problems that need solving, but is it necessary that we take a 180 and go to such extremes, like requiring everyone to doxx themself? Dan went in the wrong direction here. You are never going to have a perfect system, there is always going to be some problem, you just need a good system.
Steem is a good system and things are improving lately (Mira, wallet split, Steem Keychain...with more to come)
absolutely great post!
you got it bang on...
its a bit like microsoft / linux
for EOS it makes a lot sense to implement KYC and to become a real commercial power blockchain.. that's their way and it will be a successful one...
but as you have clearly shown KYC will repel many users and USE CASES..
so if EOS voice becomes successful it will drag steem in its slipstream up...
.. and yes we have to find a way to facilitate commercial transactions on steem and it will be somehow more difficult because of missing KYC.. but we also have a strong open source community that creates amazing technology..
.. and in regards to BOTs... yes this is the evil of steem.. but if everyone here would be on the same page we could abolish them pretty quick.. with or without KYC...
Fully agree with your comment. But it´s not central KYC and public storing of fingerprints. A fingerprint isn't even a fingerprint, it's an electric-resistance scan of deep layer structures. The scan gets hashed, and keys are generated. Its tightly bound to the cryptoprocessors, which most smart devices have. Like secure enclave processor from ARM. Like with a hardware wallet, the information does not come in touch with the SoC of the device or the internet.
The point is having a KYC without knowing the customer. It's only about to know one user behind multiple accounts to solve the abuse problem we see with Steem (I know for many big accounts its no problem but a business lel). We should empower or system by educating the users and adapting new technologies and not by repeating false claims. The wallet technology is even open source. Its a present not a threat. And other chains are possibilities and no competition. Norrowmindednes will harm us long term.
Its not KYC its a simple signup for, and the face scanning biometric is not KYC... they can call it that to make regulators happy, and maybe you all should realize that? EOS face scanning is about allowing 1 person 1 account in their social media space so peopel cant just make it vcery un fun like on steem....
dod you all forget @dan created STeem/Steemit ?
Also i would bet the author has more eos than steem, and maybe remind people that voice is not eos
so many steem fanboys in the comments, irrationaly making snipes at EOS when the post was about VOICE, the dapp, not the whole eos blockchain wehich is superior than steem in blockchain metrics and marketcap/price so lay off the FUD ok? @asphamilton ?
Fair comment but Steem Fanboys might be similar to EOS Fanboys lol - I admit I am not a fan of Dan and his way moving around but I appreciate he is a genius tech wise. The Steem fanboys might simply be a bit irrational as of Dan claiming to invent the much better Steem 2.0 which Voice will never be. He did a great job raising money but I still have doubt on the capabilities of the EOS blockchain and do believe it is overhyped - it is a money thing we all know @ackza - if this "social media" brings blockchain to the masses I am more than happy to appreciate that.
Could you drop a link that describes the face scanning biometric in more detail? Perhaps that will help us understand, thanks.
I guess this is what being dead feels like.
Yeah man, sad how these steemians are in denial about EOS... EOS being added to Steem-engine by you is the only thing making steem worth NOT powering down
No matter what, EOS has performed in price while steem has LOST EVERYONE MONEY. Steem was fucking over $3 back in 2016 and now its 30 cents, what a terrible investment. At least EOS is now around $8 when the highest it was during ICO was $5
EOS price is based on massive marketing budget in an immature early stage for crypto when hype often trumps substance.
It is wrong thinking to equate market cap with success in Crypto, especially at this stage.
A Cryptocurrency is not a share. It is a medium of exchange and store of value.
These ultimately depend on real world use, not hype.
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EOS is a centralized blockchain with a small number of very expensive to run block producers that are vulnerable to government, legal, corporate etc pressure.
It’s overhyped and the only real DApp activity on it is gambling.
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In reality EOS is more centralized than Steem, and you obviously have no idea how DPOS works if your here on STEEM calling EOS centralized. Pathetic.
Um ok no, Steem is a centralized blockchain with 21 witnesses all chosen by @ned who has around 1/3rd of all the steempower so he decides, while block.one has only 10% of the eos ... sorry but Steem is centralized in stake... and ned has had plenty of time to sell his stake and take care of that, he should have sold his stake to someone who could actually use it
The only real Dapp on Steem is gambling and your MagicDice just pulled an exit scam buddy
https://steemit.com/magicdice/@themarkymark/magic-dice-exit-scam
Oh and you wanna talk about someone caving to government pressure? Ask @ned why he CENSORED @thedarkoverlord for posting potential 9/11 documents he probably didnt even have? LOL
Non gambling Steem DApps are top on State of the DApps. Steemit, Steem Monsters, Partiko, Actifit, Next Colony, Steem Peak, Steem Engine etc etc are NOT gambling.
All top EOS DApps are, just like magic dice!
Steem witnesses are NOT all chosen by @ned! A number of top witnesses have continued without the @freedom vote.
With MIRA anyone can meet the hardware requirements to be a Steem witness, just like a Bitcoin node. That is crucial to true decentralization.
The expensive hardware requirements for being an EOS block producer means that they have to be identifiable financially large entities.
They thus become vulnerable to government and legal pressure.
Exactly like Steemit was re @thedarkoverlord.
However that material is still on the Steem blockchain and viewable with other Steem DApps.
With EOS this material would be censored at the blockchain level.
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NO thats NOT true ! Youre a DIRTY LIAR!!!
HERE you can see only TWO OF THE TOP
AND Steem has PLENTY of gambling dapps and scams, without any sort of governance to help victims, which steem just SCREWS over and NO ONE at steemit inc helps out, only other users help out with theior upvotes, unacceptable when steemians get scammed by phising attempts made possible by steemit incs wild west styule of never banning scammers off the front end when they CAN ban @thedarkoverlord
no sorry Ned has final say if he wants, freedom isnt @ned 's only account, if it is him.. some said it was @dan but no one really knows unless ned admits it but the fact is, @steem and @steemit can vote at ANY TIME you are DELUSIONAL Ned owns like 30% of all steem block.one has only 10% of ;ll eos
you are a fanboy making up lies about EOS which came directly out of steem, and which was on sale cheap when SBD was over $10 so you had no excuse NOT to pickup fre EOS .....
Nut now youre just loosing financially while EOS makes its investors money, so youre just mad that EOS isa financial success while steem runs on threats and peer pressure
No thats not true, EOS works the same as steem what the fuck are you even talking about, you are WORE than Ethereum people
Good to know! Because my laziness, I never deeply look at it! 😜
Cheers 🥂
@amico
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@neoxian,
Really valuable post bro, yeah if they ban our Voice and perform a platform to share our Voice, WTF they are trying to do! I have a lot of complains against STEEM, but that doesn't mean I wanna leave this and join that! Coz after all this is it, the Social Media top of a real Blockchain!
Cheers~
Having researched KYC for Steem onboarding (@steempassport), I know that the only other option for KYC than disclosure of 'ID' documents is biometrics. Since biometrics are fundamentally flawed (you can't reset biometrics like a password, for example), it is extremely likely that EOS/Voice KYC is going to be more like the standard form used by exchanges. Given that EOS is already centralised and designed to be run from institutions such as governments and universities, it does literally appear to be the 'anti Steem' in the sense of deleting most of Steem's strong points (while maybe fixing the bot weakpoint). I personally feel that the future of this kind of platform is in distributed systems that run entirely on people's own devices (so everyone is a witness) and where anonymity is maintained. I think that fixing the bot problem without KYC is simpler than fixing the KYC problem of anonymity and security. I'm interested to see where Voice goes - with such a big budget it is hard to imagine it totally failing.. Who knows, maybe it will just be direct competition for Steem and Steem will win.
Voice is a steeming pile of shit! I wouldn't touch that centralized ponzi scheme with a 10 ft pole and ackza tied to the end of it!
This! You are taking the words out of my mouth. When I saw the announcement I thought "what a joke". And what if their KYC fails and they still have bots? Do they ban them? Doesn't seem very decentralized to me...
ok you obviously havent been following EOS news at all... block.one is developing a biometric face scan system, its what they launched their eos authenticator app for... somethiung @ned and steem couldnt ever dream of....
the whole point of this "KYC" is to revolutionize blockchain and not have to write down keys anymore which no one will ever do in real life. You are stuck in steem fantasy land, where by the way I have 8 more rep points than you. I think I know a little more about steem than most people here. And ned has no plan to even onboard users. We barely have 200 people a day being on-boarded, its a joke. And @ned REFUSES to block KNOWN Scammers and thieves from his front end yet he blocks @thedarkoverlord ? I personally think ned should be sued and put in Jail for running a scam for this long, but that will be up to all the Steemians who lost much larger amounts and who still have money left over to buy a lawyer to sue Ned...
Enjoy being poor when steem is under a penny like Golos. EVeryone is powering down and buying EOS because they have an actual game plan, while @ned is running steemit and steem into the poor house
Biometric data makes onboarding a harder hurdle with more cost but why would it stop spammers from just hiring a few hundred people? And if you ban them, how is it still a blockchain?
The thing about decentralization is that not one entity decides what goes. And unless EOS just innovated in this space with something no one can imagine right now (which is very unlikely) they will have the same problems. And EOS will be a centralized blockchain, where Dan can ban whoever he does not like.
I'm curious to see how they implemented their biometric voodoo stuff but I won't hold my breath that it is in any way revolutionary and I don't think that it will stop bots.
Good. That makes Steem potentially usable by me. Biometric ID is just data, and no data can be completely secure. Once biometric data is hacked, the actual person has been hacked for life. No potential benefit can compensate for that existential risk.
If Steem ever adopts some kind of biometric ID, that will be the last time I ever use it.
Yea sounds like not for you. But I am sure there are plenty who will enjoy it. I think it will be another interesting experiment. At least Steem got something out of it. "Don't want to be doxxed?, join Steem" lol
LOL, for real :)
or fake :)
As bad a KYC is, biometrics is far worse. We can't change our biometric data, but hackers can gain it. Once a hacker has it, the real person is screwed for life. I will never use a biometric id mechanism for that reason, and I don't care what benefits using one might provide. Banks started using fingerprints, and I quit using banks. I can do without any benefit any institution claims it can provide, and I will do without any benefit Voice claims it can provide.
I am only on platforms that I can be pseudonymous on. I don't use most of them anyway, because I have but little interest in most financial benefits. I have found that real benefits aren't derived from finance, but can be attained via direct social interactions.
Thanks!
You can't stock up on tokens. U can't buy voice tokens. So if u can't buy them how can u sell them. This platform sounds like shit already lol
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Where did you got that information from? If that is true than why do they even have a Token?
From Dan the Man... In his presentation, he said Voice tokens cannot be bought, only earned. And used practically only inside Voice from what I understood.
Easy, it will develop a black market pretty fast so people with money could push their messages up. You know, like a bid-bot.
Nope, you can't buy upvotes. You all keep forgetting, this is NOT steem...
What do you mean you can't, was the official picture photoshopped that showed using Voice tokens to improve rankings then?
First of all, you have no idea how this system even works... you are assuming it will be just like steem with upvotes.....
EOS will have all sorts of social media dapps but this one is going to be unique, and they are not going to just have a reward pool up for grabs by whoever can "ninja mine" the most tokens.
It's stunning how many people here are so quick to dismiss an entirely new system, as if you have been abused for so long that you cant imagine a world where unfair influence is prevented from the beginning
lets also drop this fantasy that somehow steem is more decentralized than EOS, when Ned still owns around a 3rd of all the Steempower, but Block.one is only in control of around 10% of the total EOS...
ned can just decide who gets to be Witness, power is truly centralized in the hands of one man, so no matter how much work we do on this chain he can throw it all away on a whim, like his flagging of dan's EOS related post forcing Dan to have to post outside of steem after he saw the current whales refused to defend what was right, a sad result of @ned and his error not DPOS....
Voice is going to be trying all sorts of new things, and Steem should also be investing in the infrastructure @aggroed is building and maybe @ned could pay @yabapmatt to create a Mobile app version of steem keychain so we could have all the steem dapps working on mobile seamlessly together.
Steem's infrastructure needs 3 things. New account faucet, Marketing of the steem Dapps, and marketing of the Token for Investors to BUY and stake with a special website that automates the process of Buying steem, powering it up and delegating to a bid bot with calculators and daily or weekly reports showing the profits in USD and BTC from bid bot delegation.... something steem does great but which has no FRONT end Interface to make it all seem easier........
New Account creation faucet that can do 1 million new accounts a months utilizing the free accounts available to @steem @steemit and all the rest of neds 80-100 million + Steempower accounts using https://steeminvite.com by @pharesim which @ned again needs to pay just like he needs to pay @yabapmatt to build Keychain Mobile and @jesta to rebuild vessel and make vessel Mobile and @ned must be investing in STEEM-engine.com and helping Scot Bot
SMT's for Ned will have to be BIGGER than Weedcash and Actifit and all the steem engine projects which are community small time projects..... while SMTs must have big time partnerships, and if ned has to spend some of his own money to secure some of these partnerships from large companies who might want an SMT for a loyalty token then so be it.... but Ned just has to make a difference between Steem engine tokens, SUPPORT it to show he has nothing to worry about and doesnt fear their competition, while he rolls out some unexpected big name brand partnerships with SMts.....
I also think its very important for @blocktrades to at least try to push through the seemingly failed Worker proposal system, because even bitshares got a worker proposal system with projects from some of the same people here on steem like @officialfuzzy and there is no excuse why @ned doesn't push this project through BEFORE the hardfork. @ned can easily fund a few projects that build in a referral system, that only pays people when they bring investors, so its sustainable, and that should impress investors who can do the math and see how many crypto users steem can bring in using its existing users as an army of workers, posting about steem on Reddit Instagram 4chan Discord, and this strategy of using https://steeminvite.com could be massive if @ned pays @pharesim to create a steeminvite REFERRAL system or Gmail style INVITE tool that expands on the EXISTING tool @pharesim has built, which is beautiful and gives us a tool that would have required so much work. But with some extra time and money pharesim can expand on his https://steeminvite.com and even allow whales to sign in and SELL new accounts they get for FREE. 2 million SP gets you approx 100 a day free instant accounts... scaled up with all the whales joining in making a passive income off their RC Account creation mana, we could finally solve the account creation demand problem......
Sorry for getting caught up in the response but I wanted to explain all the many solutions I believe steem could use which have to be enacted by @ned and which will 10x the value of ned's holdings and thus make it all worth his while to reinvest in the blockchain at this crucial point