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RE: Let's Make Downvoting Great Again!

in #downvoting7 years ago (edited)

I got flagged for writing this same article, then Transisto funded an auto-downvote bot with lok1/elfspice called "sadkitten" to follow and downvote any vote I made for myself arbitrarily as retaliation:

https://steemit.com/curation/@lexiconical/make-flagging-great-again-on-self-up-voting-and-a-suggestion-for-improving-curation-on-steemit

Resteemed, but I have no hope. Grumpycat is now the standard.

https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/279

nextgencrypto commented on Aug 16, 2016 • edited
This is nothing but another method for Dan to control who he wants to see earn and who he doesn't. I expect we'll see him and his inner circle stifling whales they wish to see stop earning as soon as this is released.

Just a reminder, this is being implemented because of the feelings of 1 person who will use his control over the witnesses to push through anything he wishes. Don't let it be disguised as fixing voting, he's trying to suppress accounts he doesn't agree with.

bytemaster commented on Dec 27, 2016
I still think that the first principles are right on this concept. Unfortunately, having logical first principles and appealing to the masses are two entirely different things.

Will probably self-vote this for visibility later as idgaf anymore. Flag it if you don't like it. #grumpycat

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Sorry to hear about the flag war. IMO that aspect of the platform is one of our bigger issues.

I’ve responded to that issue already in a few other comment threads, so I won’t repeat myself here.

Regarding grumpycat and the abuse, I shared my views on that in reply to your post in the subject. (Great post btw.)

Nothing personal, but I am downvoting this comment over disagreement on rewards. Hoping other people start to do this more too.

Have at it. If there is a penny still pending to Grumpycat, this is a highly suspect decision.

I think you'll find the game theory here renders your solution useless.

Here's another example.

In my view, it is the broken window theory. One broken window in a neighborhood that goes unfixed leads to people not giving a f about the neighborhood and everything going to shit. Unfortunately we have a lot of broken windows at the moment.

I'm afraid you are correct.

I do not know if it makes me a hypocrite, but I did not much care for the broken window theory when it was applied to NYC policing. However, I didn't even live there at the time. When I moved there later, it sure was clean.

The truth is, I labor endlessly, both literally in the physical sense, and mentally in the temptation sense, to use my stake correctly and provide as much value here as I possibly can. But I just can't do it after looking at this image anymore:

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or this one:

Transisto Hypo.png

How can you, truly, justify taking away my $7 while this goes on?

Is it only because I can't (or, even if I could, won't) nuke your blog and articles back, because I know you to be on the "good" team?

From another comment I recently made, to add some substance to my votes here:

As I was warned early on by another quality user of rep 72+ who now appears jaded, "almost everyone around here is dirty."

I mean, you can literally vote yourself money with a click. Anonymously, on the internet. Is any of this a surprise?

The stupidity is really those of us that thought they could invest here and operate in good faith for any period of time without going fucking insane.

Well, I hath gazed too long into the abyss, and now it gazeth into me.

I am trying to change things so the big broken windows get fixed. In the meantime, you are a broken window that I can do something about 🙂

There are always going to be ‘bad’ people in the world that exploit others for their own personal gain. My view is that the amount of people that are in that camp are actually less than the ones who want to do good.

If/when the good people start looking at the bad that is going on in the world and using as a reason to stop doing what they think is right - that is when we start to have a real problem.

" In the meantime, you are a broken window that I can do something about "

What you really mean, is you can push me around, but you're fine with this:

Randowhale randowhale downvote @lexiconical/steemit-is-ruled-by-a-communist-party… (-100%)

You are just proving this is an ATM for robber barons by misallocating your VP to me, while the real problems burn down entire blocks, rather than break windows.

You are a hypocrite.

Did you miss the main complaint about "broken windows" being that it's fascist overreaction?

K.. I think we are done.

I wasn’t really going out of my way to downvote you. I was ‘fixing’ what was in front of me because it was in the context of a conversation we were having. I assume you are doing it on a bunch of other comments too, and I left those alone.

The impression that I had of you were that you were one of the ‘good ones’ who just got fed up and went dark. Based on the tone of your reply, you seem too far gone for me to help, so carry on. Use your stake to reward yourself if that is really what makes you happy.

I’ll keep doing what I can to fix the windows. It is a pretty major problem, and not something that I will be able to win on my own.

I don't understand. You seem to be saying that it is OK if you vote for your own good posts and replies simply because you give yourself less money than some others? I don't believe that your smaller financial gain is is more than others make (despite hard work and original content) on their good post? Not to complain but $7 would be a good haul for one of my posts. To get that kind of reward I would need to pay a bot which instead of being free, costs me a portion of my wallet. It seems to be counter to the argument.

It's not that I think that those who have put in more time and effort don't deserve more compensation but wasn't one of the founding beliefs that the compensation would occur through gaining a larger community around you and their current curation rather than a blogger multiplying his reward based on previous financial gains?

If you aren't willing to depend on your following for their honest and current curation in order for you to stay competitive shouldn't you be arguing with checkthisout rather than against him? He too is giving himself the ability to gain attention from other potential bidders and making more money from his own votes on the side.

Maybe your argument is that you believe that checkthisout's content isn't high enough quality to give him to have the right to upvote his own contributions? I don't ask this in support of any blogger in particular but how do you determine quality from other people's content?

Lol, isn't that obvious? This isn't content:

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OK, he is a little light on anything substantive. I confess, I don't think I've seen may comments worthy of over $100. ☹

Well said crypto fam. But is it not possible for those witnesses voted in to solve these glaring issues so that this platform can continue to grow.

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