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RE: Intro to Anarchy with The Pholosopher

in #dlive6 years ago

Ya, that is the dictionary definition, but history gives more context. The first self-proclaimed anarchist, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon stated, "Communism is inequality, but not as property is. Property is exploitation of the weak by the strong. Communism is exploitation of the strong by the weak." He was critical of both capitalism and communism. If you want to get technical with labels, you could call this mutualism.

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Well, I disagree with him. Oligarchs love the idea of no private property too. It makes it easy to control people. I don't often quote people from the past because of all the inconsistencies that can be found from their writing. I grew up poor, and I have honestly accumulated plenty of private property. Nothing I have done has exploited anyone. I haven't robbed anyone either.

The cold hard truth is that a lot of people don't have property and only debts because they cannot control their spending and spend way more than they make. You don't have to make a lot to accumulate wealth either. All you have to do is spend less than you make. Someone living in a van for example can save a lot of fiat very quickly. What do they do with it then if buying property is immoral?

One of the main reasons I live in a van is because to me it's the closest comfortable approximation to occupancy and use based property rights that can be achieved in today's world. I don't pay rent or property taxes, but obviously have the vehicle costs to access the land. I'd rather save the money and work less so I can do things I enjoy.

Ya man. Once I gave up having to pay rent I knew I'd never go back. Feels so good.

Between a place I owned and was force to rent for a loss because I couldn't sell it and the rent for the other place I was living in, I was paying $3,150 a month at one point in my life. That was just the mortgage and rent! It's definitely a huge anchor around a person's neck. :(

Whoa, that is a heavy weight indeed!

Here in Virginia we pay "property tax" on vehicles. According to your beliefs then, it is wrong for me to own a property and rent it out to someone who voluntarily wants to rent it? I'm not there, but I own the property.

Ya, the fees vary by state but are generally low. It's not perfect. Absentee landlord rent and ownership of vacant and unimproved land that you withhold from someone using would be considered illegitimate. That's not to say you couldn't have some type of rental-like agreement. It would be based around you laboring rather than the ownership of the property itself generating a profit.

Define improved. All I need to do is build a cabin on it? Put a natural gas line in? Improving the land I own seems pretty subjective. What defines improved enough? What if I simply use it for hunting? I'm not allowed to own land only used for hunting then? I'm forced to build a tree stand or something on it? You see where this is going of course. It would be easy for someone to "improve" their owned land.

If you built a cabin you would also need to be living in it to establish ownership. That also doesn't mean you'd own an arbitrary amount of land around it, just what you are reasonably using for food production, etc. Land used only for hunting would just be public. Why would you need to own it? If it has to be managed somehow, that would be up to the local community to figure out.

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