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RE: GMO corn that enables no-till planting.

in #discussion7 years ago

Hi @everittdmickey

I am a born farmer and would suggest GMO is not good. I know of this and not only this attribute of GMOs but also to ones where worms does not eat your crop.

I agree it saves a lot of effort and money for workers to clean in between the crop and there are a lot of advantages to it but at what cost (referring to corn specifically)?

You do not only take away work from people trying to make a honest living but you are also advancing a health risk. I have not gone into detail as to what health issues this causes but it sounds like a few and it sounds serious. Maybe there is no health risk like a lot of people claim but this does not sound correct because there must be something wrong with crops which worms won't even eat.

The alternative is that we keep on farming the old fashion way and the state subsidize farmers which will allow not only healthier foods but also create work.

I have been wanting to do research on this for a long time but have not come around to it. Maybe I'll change my mind when I finally start but I doubt it. I hear a lot of stories, especially a link between the increased allergies among children and GMO and if there is one thing I will be overly conservative on, it is in a healthier direction.

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Excellent points @dpl!

not using herbicides requires.


which leads to

and

are you ok with that?

Agreed it has a detrimental effect when it comes to erosion but what's your focus? The environment or health?

It's not possible to show impressive photos when it comes to the detrimental effect on the health of the people eating these crops.

Ironically herbicides used in sprying GMOs also has a bad effect on the environment it's just not possible to show it in such an impressive set of images.

But I agree with you, just letting this happen is not an option.

Oddly enough you make some statements then say that it's not possible to prove it.

Not impossible to prove. I refer specifically to impressive images as in your response which any person could see is not good.

Proof of GMO harmful effects:

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(Image Source - Harvard.edu)

Proof of herbicides harmful effects:

Is this proof? That is why I say, the topic is still to be researched as anyone can write stuff. Finding the correct information is where it gets tricky.

Hence my conclusion earlier, for now I will stay on the safe side and not eat GMO as far as possible. My reasoning is the same as yours. We look at the images and see that conventional planting methods is damaging the environment. I look at the worms not eating the crops and think to myself there must be a good reason far that.

ok...you go ahead and farm organically.
Is it ok if I decide I'd rather eat genetically engineered food?

Not attacking you for your point of view @everittdmickey. I see your point and I'm having a conversation. Will also never attempt to tell you what to do, but will always try and understand.

I didn't say anything about attack.

Is this proof?
nope...it's opinion.
what I posted you can see with your own two eyes..

nope...it's opinion.
Agreed that's why I said:
"That is why I say, the topic is still to be researched as anyone can write stuff. Finding the correct information is where it gets tricky."

what I posted you can see with your own two eyes..
Agreed that's why I said:
"We look at the images and see that conventional planting methods is damaging the environment."

But does this mean if we can't see it with our own eyes it has no effect?

But does this mean if we can't see it with our own eyes it has no effect?
nope..there might be an effect.
but you can SEE that there is damn sure an effect from plowing.
you can SEE that it causes erosion
you can SEE that the runoff causes dead zones in the oceans



why not fix the problem that you know for a FACT exists.
THEN
worry about what MIGHT exist.
FACTS first...OPINION later.

Glyphosate - an ingredient in the weed killer Roundup.


(Image Source - harvard.edu

However, the World Health Organization recently announced that glyphosate is a probable carcinogen, so we still need to be cautious [11] (for more information, the EPA also has a list of other pesticides and their carcinogen status). Although studies have shown conflicting conclusions about the link between glyphosate and cancer in humans, glyphosate has been linked to cancer in rats and mice and experiments in human cells have shown that exposure to glyphosate can cause DNA damage [9].

Which we are now pumping at a increasing rate into our rivers and seas. Yet there are other ways to combat erosion.

Without having to site anyone I can tell that suspended particles tend to settle out as opposed to dissolve chemicals.

Not sure how this fact is bent to explain how chemicals stay on the land where it is sprayed. The dissolve chemicals even seep into the underground water polluting drinking water and also seep into main drainage lines at lower elevations from where it was sprayed. Not to even mention runoff from a storm event.

Solutions range from contour plowing to strategically placed geosynthetics.

I look at the worms not eating the crops and think to myself there must be a good reason far that

that's an entirely different subject. I was speaking of no till..

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