Suggestions To Make Curation More Rewarding - Part 3 - Revive & Remonetize Old Posts (Under Specific Conditions)
Have you ever found a high-quality piece of content on Steemit that was past it's payout date, and made less than $1 in rewards?
Whenever I submit a new article, I try to curate at least a page of new, which is about 7 entries. This usually amounts to 1-2 plagiarized pornography clips, 1-2 cut-and-pasted news articles without attribution, 2-4 garbage posts and 1 arguably-OK but low-content post.
Occasionally, I find a gem of an article from an underappreciated author and decide to review their blog for a possible following.
When the author is good, the story is always the same - tons of articles under-rewarded, and no way to do anything but add a token upvote to the pile at 1%.
The truth is, there is a lot of great content on Steemit that was not successfully monetized the first time around. Why not allow posts to be revived/remonetized, in much the same was as a Resteem, under certain conditions?
The options for allowing or restricting this activity as much as the community deems fit are myriad:
- Payout of post.
- Age of post.
- Reputation of poster.
- Time limit - one post review per week, month, year etc.
- Listed by Steemit "Undervalued Posts" Tribune
- Maximum previous payout.
- Only allow reviving by non-authors, potentially based on the reviving account's age, reputation, or a minimum Curation Rep level, per my suggestions in parts 1 + 2.
- Restrict number of active revived posts by author.
- Cap on revives per article, based on previous payouts, number of revives, etc.
I know some will worry that this will lead to Steem being a sea of rehashed content, or the reward pool being monopolized by a set of highly popular authors. I think there are ample options to prevent this in my list of conditions above, but there is also a nuclear option.
Make revived posts appear in the "Promoted" tab (and potentially nowhere else). Steemit could even require a "revivification fee" equal to the post's last payout be burned via the Promoted interface (sent to @null.) This would both lower inflation for all Steem holders while also economically disincentivizing the repeat remonetization of popular or highly-paid posts.
Does anyone really look at promoted, now? I don't. Perhaps with a name and function change, the "Promoted" tab could become useful once again. Maybe we could change it to "Classics", "Community Favorites", or something with a more positive connotation.
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Love the thoughts and your list of ways to pull it off.
As the new people join they have missed the value of past posts. We could argue that there is always more new material being created, so past posts being revived is not necessary, but...When a past post didn't get much traction because someone is new, has low power and/or low number of followers, why should quality posts not get a second chance? I love the idea of making the promoted task actually useful.
voted and resteemed. Let's get this conversation going!
Thank you!
To be fair, I am envisioning this in a way that few posts would make the cut. I would say most of my posts would not justify being revived later, and I consider the bar of quality I keep for posting to me far higher than the average.
However, I do have a few posts that continues to get views and replies months later. One of them I've seen being passed around as a link on Reddit. These are the types of posts - the ones that are still useful - that might warrant use of this "reviving" function.
Hmmmm; I am going to resteem your post as soon as my comment clears. Wow! I am still a "Minnow," and it took me a bit to figure out to build relationships before I made too many posts. Even though I cannot "benefit" from reading old posts, the value is in the information of the great ones.
It is a bit strange that I have gained far more fame as a poet and short-story writer than being an applied psychology pioneer and biodynamic farmer. At least, I didn't have to stoop to endless cat pictures to gain attention. (BTW, I do like cats; however it's a very sad story of when I moved years ago and my cat, Simba, panicked from the truck ride and dashed off while I was putting stuff in storage. After moths of going back to the farm to see if he went back, I finally gave up. I find it tough to have another cat. There is ONLY one Simba.)
Here I am blathering away. You have such a wonderful idea @lexiconical and I'll be checking up on you to see if there is anything that I can do to support your MISSION. Be well.
"It is a bit strange that I have gained far more fame as a poet and short-story writer than being an applied psychology pioneer and biodynamic farmer. "
I know how you feel. However, if we think about it a bit, and consider which one of these lends itself better to social media (quick, low-attention span content delivery) our answer becomes more readily apparent.
There are some great posts on Steemit for our long-form readers, but generally speaking, I think 4 paragraphs or less is the optimal length from a game theory perspective of "max reward per time invested."
Thank you very much for the kind words.
I, too, am very attached to a cat I used to have. He was known as The Shredder, both as an homage to the ninja turtles villain, and as a representation of what he liked to do to cardboard objects.
For the first time in my year on Steemit, I rehashed a piece and reposted it. But it was fiction, it was heavily edited, it was split into two posts, and it was revived on my general account (rather than my ancient gaelic account). So far so good.... cheetah bot hasn't seemed to notice. And while the first one netted me a shiny dime, this one... has done a little better. Edited to read: it's up to $73, so it's done much better! You're definitely onto something there!
To me, this barely qualifies as a re-hash. If you have done substantial editing, and haven't posted it on your current account before, I say go for it!
We don't know if Cheetah searches Steemit for sure, or just uses Google, because the algorithm is proprietary!
It's a great idea, but how much is the chance that reviving will add exposure to that post?
I think that there should be a basic curation system that filters all the post from "new" and the ones that are not totally trash go to "new - basic". So that it's easier to find great stuff. Of course the curators should be rewarded, and not the lazy boys that upvote anything.
A fair point. This is one reason why I considered the option of only having posts revived by high-reputation users who could then resteem them.
If posts are revived by the author, you'd have to hope that your new followers and community standing since the original posting allows you to reach more people.
If we could do something about the junk in "new", it would certainly help.
I do like the idea. My content is usually current events so it wouldn't help me much. But this should be an option.
I tend to do a lot of current events too!
Overall, I think few posts should qualify for this service. I'm thinking far under 10%.
Agreed.
This is a very good idea. A newbie always wants to make good posts and is always urged to do so, but make great posts in your first bit (I would arguably say below 200 followers) is almost always paid poorly. I had this happen to me also about making brooders for baby chicks. It was a decent post, but it would be better responded to and rewarded, I'm sure, if I reposted now (with some new pics perhaps). Though, that's no guarantee!
You really hit the nail on the head. I would go as far as to say you want 300+ followers before working hard on your posts, except for maybe a few to fill your initial blog page. Comments are just such a better way to get followers.
I made several posts that took hours and made under 10 cents. I haven't reposted them yet, but perhaps I should now that they are over 3 months old.
I'd prefer a way to do this via the interface that felt less "rehashed".
Yeah it does feel a bit like "cheating the system" to rehash posts. At least for me it feels a little "wrong". So something like you suggested where it doesn't feel wrong and is generally accepted would be really nice!
encourage the writer to resubmit the blog; I have been resubmitting old work (over 3 months old) for about three months.
If the Steemer is still active, that seems like a good window (i.e, not spammy) to give the post another chance at recognition
I agree, it's not a bad idea. However, I think it may be frowned upon by the community? To be honest, I'm not sure. I have avoided doing so thus far.
I've never been downvoted, and I've been doing it about 3 months now (I also update the material as well, but sometimes there is nothing to update) - I make sure it's not ALL I post for sure ;>
but due to the nature of Steemit ( especially the way curation rewards are assigned) a post that doesnt get traction in the first hour is usually a goner.
And at some point, it does become spammy (especially if there is affiliate links...which I use in my sig, or if there has been little work done on the content)
I have asked about a community standard on this, and no one has reacted negatively...OTOH, no one really responded either LOL
When does it become spammy? For me, I'd say more than once a month, but then again I use a 3 month interval, and I don't repost everything I do
Back to your original question, I would say to put a comment to the Steemer, and ask for a resubmission
3 months sounds fairly reasonable. Ever gotten any complaints about it?
nope. no complaints, no downvotes.
Sometimes I get higher payouts than the first go-around, and sometimes no payput at all on a post that paid out the first go-around.
That feature of rewarding curation in the first hour does tend to kill the incentive to explore Steemit fully. IMO
And even so, it all depends on who is on, and actually reading posts at the time you post
Interesting. Thank you for replying with your results. Perhaps I will try it some day.
Unrewarded quality posts from new low reputation, low follower users is definitely an issue but any code change leaving the system open to be exploited or gamed in another way is probably just going to create more problems.
If the original poster still has low reputation and low visibility, is there any reason why it'll get more rewards the 2nd time around?
If they've built up reputation and following since the original post then I'd agree with stevescoins. Leave a comment, encourage a re-submission/revision and resteem that. It doesn't need a code change and I think it's totally legit way to achieve the same goal for someone who's produced good content while undiscovered (pick me, pick me! :p)
excellent point
That happens to me a lot but I think is because I'm new , and I don't have power to stay, but if I can to repost again some of my post I do that now
Good idea and post
I recommend keeping your posts short and high-quality early on for just these reasons.
I just put one about visit Mallorca , I don't ask to upvote but if you have a look and put a constructive critique i appreciated
I'm happy to check it out, since you asked nicely. Will put it on my reading list.
Thanks you I want to follow you and try to learn more
Good ideas and I see a lot of under valued work. I agree that the promoted tab is really not used at all. I never look at it. Great post!
Thank you for the encouragement!
Great idea. I love it!