Whoever is front-running my comment section is a genius 😉
Some people may have caught on that I'm working on making my comment section as engaging as possible. It's pretty hard to get around to reply/upvote 100 comments+ but I'm setting things up to be able to do so in the future.
One thing I don't do anymore is sporadically upvote comments shortly after I publish my article. I have fallen prey, like many people, to constantly refresh my article to know how much $ it made and what people are saying about it.
So I have stopped doing that. It's really an unproductive activity.
It's profitable for me to upvote the comment section of my blog
One thing many people might not know is that when I upvote your comment under my post, even if it's only a $1(about 8%), I'm making a curation reward on the upvote I'm making (especially if I'm the only one voting).
To maximize my profits, I must wait past the 30 minutes treshold. That's why I usually wait until the next day to go over last days post...so that I can do that in batch.
But someone caught onto that and started frontrunning my comment section by voting the best comments.
You, sir, are a genius.
Since the amount of competition on comments upvote is very low, he is in some way guaranteed to make maximum rewards since he/she knows I will be upvoting afterward (sometimes 20hours later).
That person also provide a great service to me. There is a lot of garbage comments that try to take advantage of the fact that I'm upvoting the comment section. By having that person upvoting the best stuff, it helps me sift through the garbage faster.
Conclusion
Don't hesitate to front run my comment section. I'll be happy to upvote behind you and maybe even get curious enough to follow your blog 😉
Brilliant! By acknowledging the genius of the one who was frontrunning your comment upvoting you have greatly increased the engagement of your comment section and consequently the rewards of doing so. Now your comment section looks a lot more like the way comments did back a year and a half ago when there was much less spam and much more interaction. If more whales (and everyone else too) would take the time to reward those who post thoughtful comments, maybe the comment spammers would learn and become productive Steemians instead of trying to grab a quick penny or two.
Or maybe, don't use whales and just interact on the site yourself, like you would Facebook or YouTube? Am I missing something here? Just do what you'd normally do.
Thanks. You win the top spot of my comment section with that comment 😊
Haha oh my gosh, that's so smart! Also, I think it's awesome that you upvote comments. I do it aswell, though usually not really high. I think I should up the percentages a bit to make sure everyone atleast gets a small reward. Especially my regulars! Thanks for making me think :-)
lol that would be much appreciated ma, now I got two users I can earn from lol, just joking love your post about gaming and daily activities also how you interact with your users via the comment box, steemit really needs more users like you
this made me smile :)
Aww that's so sweet of you to say! :D
I think it pays off to upvote commenters! It is like incentivising brand loyalty.
As we browse through our feed and recognize the people who have rewarded us for engaging in their comments, we are more likely to click in and read since we know if we come up with an intelligent response there may be a decent comment upvote in it!
Exactly! It's a win-win situation :D
It does pay off...if I can raise the SP of my followers, they will overtime bring more upvote my way. It's all a vertue cycle.
Why are you defending upvoting comments?
Why do you think the functionality exists?
Why do people on here think people need motiviation to express whether they like a post?
Is the design of steemit really that anti-human interaction that people need motivation to do what they'd normally do anyway without the profit, like on Facebook?
Are you asking me or Octo? Since your reply is to my comment I will assume me for the moment.
Don't think your likes/dislikes do not have a financial impact on Facebook. There is a profit, it just goes to advertisers, not to the person posting.
Why are you on this platform if it isn't to be social with other people and get crypto in the process? Upvoting comments in our threads is a way of rewarding users for participating and adding value to the discussion. I don't see why this is an argument... it does the OP no harm other than the cost of a little voting power (based on his statement of an 8% upvote value, he can upvote 12 comments for a 2% VP reduction, that's not bad at all.
I don't see it as anti-human, I see it as pro-rewarding humans with brain power.
I'm sorry. I've been having a rough week.
I know that in the beginning stages of any new and developing platform, the first focus will be that on the functions and understanding the use of the platform.
I want to use it like how I use Facebook.
It's strange for people to talk about having a reason and incentive to upvote something. I've always been like, "Hey, I like that!" and I upvote. Or I don't, and don't. Not, "Hey, I can make money if I upvote that or do it in X way!"
Money over quality and sincerity is what that feels like, and I think the quality of posts, and interaction will, and do, suffer.
The obsession with gaming the system for "maximum profit," even in the face of the fact that STEEM is about as close to "fake game money" as you can get while still having some distant connection to fiat currency, seems to be pretty endemic to the entire platform.
You're right in that it does seem to get in the way of the ostensible "social network" aspects of the whole thing. If one does use it just like they would any other social network, it mostly works all right. The lack of individuation, the assumption that "more steem means more value", the complete absence of design around the idea of communities despite trying to leverage curation, these are things that provide a definite pressure against the social network being social.
I'm absolutely with you when you are publicly against of the 30 minute "race for money" when it comes to upvotes. The last decade of social media analysis tells us that the long tail of content, and discovering value to individuals in it, is where a vast amount of quality lies. That flies directly in the face of both the 30 minute limit and the fact that posting is no longer valuable to you after seven days. There is no real motivation connected to the rest of the implications of the platform to write content which will be useful or interesting to anyone beyond the one week horizon.
Maybe that's fixable, maybe it's not. I just can't say.
I can say that from a game theory point of view, there is a very important phrase:
"You get what you reward."
If you look around Steemit and see behaviors which are directly counter to the social network presentation of the platform but are clearly rewarded by the rules of the platform – no one should look surprised.
And we're not.
We're just disappointed.
You, not octo.
There is no dislike button in Facebook.
I'm aware that posts and such have money attached to them that is not shared with the users.
My prime issue is with Whales and the 30 minute limit.
However, this all is more a side-topic.
I dislike seeing anti-social obsessing about how to maximize profit that gets in the way of how the interaction with otherwise go... like waiting 30 minutes to interact.
That's what I am here for 😊
Sneaky genius! And I believe that you are definitely on to something here. I never really thought about maximizing the curation rewards in my own comments. I usually give a response and an upvote to any good comments on my posts. I'm laying about $0.40 cents per comment in rewards to people who comment on my stuff, so not as nice as yours, but I'm also usually doing it inside of the 30 minute window, so I guess I am not getting the curation I could be.
There's a lesson to take home from this. Very interesting. And also interesting about the comment front running. Weeding good stuff to the top with other people's votes doesn't hurt either!
As your top commenters make $ by making comments and curating, they in turn bring more $ with their votes over time. It's a virtuous cycle. 😊
It's the Circle of Steem.... and it rules us alllllll.....
LOL
Creating users with more weight who are loyal to your "brand" is a terrific policy! You should have a whale class on how to make this happen all around the blockchain. hahaha
May be it's 1st time I am commenting here, but really great to know that even the comment section is getting so much attention now a days, it will surely positively affect platform, thnx to your helping hand to make it possible and bringing this concern in light that added one more post in your post list ☺
Comments are everything imo. Steem is one of the best places to read comments. Most people are very positive unlike many other platforms.
I hope you will be back 😊 I'll keep upvoting your comments when they are good.
Hm... do comments work exactly like posts in term of payouts? I never considered that one could have comment-upvoting-strategy as well :)
I wonder if people know that, because many do not upvote comments to their posts. I always do. It's just a kind thing to do, I think, but I never saw it in a strategic way before.
There is more to this game than meets the eye 😊
It's really interesting how intricate all of the ins and outs are isn't it?
I never really thought beyond giving my readers and commenters a reward for making a coherent response to my post! But there's money in it for me to? Well heck! Now it's a win-win!
hahaha
Yes... I always really appreciate it when someone takes the time to read my stuff and leave a reply. So I always upvote, but mostly with just 10% because I use it more like a LIKE button and to let them know "I've seen your response, thank you!"
Now if I start getting concerned how much I am making from upvoting comments... then I will really have to start managing my voting power... I'm not sure if my brain wants to do all that math, though...
I really don't even think about the curation rewards anymore. I know they are out there, and I know there is this complicated cycle of math that allows you to estimate how much you are likely to earn, but meh... I don't particularly worry about the number. For comments, I would almost just assume that all go straight to the comment author.... but hey... might as well take what the system gives me. haha
You have to wait 30 minutes for the max curation rewards on comments? Are you sure about that? Cause I've asked around about this previously, and as far as I know this restriction doesn't count on comments.
there is no distinction in the code between posts and comments. They are all posts.
U have any sources that proof this? The thing is, looking around for an actual statement on how comment curation rewards work, there is barely anything to find about it...
In my 2 years of being here, I've never encountered a different rule for curation than the established one. In the code, posts and comments are the same. You can always ask on github.
It's interesting that at your scale of operation, you can write something like this and incentivize more of us to do that, which (I think) is a win for everyone involved. Lower-value people can't, but then they (we) don't have so many people following them and posting garbage comments -- it's easy to weed through the two or five that I might get.
I'm curious, how often do you flag/downvote something? (How much upside does that practice have?)
No one is "lower-value people".
It really sets me off to see that mindset and see the word garbage in the same sentence.
Lower value content is the humane way to consider this and what will make the community more collaborative in the long run. We are all valuable people. Some just don't have the means, tools, know-how or experience to provide better value right now.
I suppose, to be more precise, I could have said "lower-power accounts" but I guess I assumed wrongly that it would be obvious what I meant. And it is simply reality, that in the context of Steem's currencies, cryptoctopus is about 1000 times more valuable than I am. That is some sort of indication our comparative histories here, but isn't a reasonable measure of average current post value. So in the sense that you want to abstract "value" away from these constructs, I don't think "lower value content" is really that great, and certainly not what I was talking about.
Also, "Brilliant insight, you should upvote and follow me" seems to be widely regarded as a garbage comment. Is that not your impression?
Thanks for the reply and healthy debate. I know what you mean by the word choice, but it didn't sound right before your clarification.
What I respectfully disagree with is that Steem currency/Power holdings makes one appear more valuable over another. Perhaps it's more wealth and influence in my book, but I prefer to define value by how people treat and respect each other at all levels. If price goes to $0, what's left for ranking in this community other than our talents, reputation and follower base?
I've seen absurdly invaluable/spam content and actions by many with immense Steem power, so I try to ignore account balances except for following the money for getting some visibility. I'm generally forced to see whales' posts more because they're always fixed up on the top of my feeds, so sometimes it just appears like they're more valuable in our ecosystem.
Yes, "Brilliant insight, you should upvote and follow me" is lousy content, but I try to keep in mind that some of these people are novices and need to learn what works/doesn't. After a few weeks of getting their content slapped down, I'd imagine that through a process of elimination they'd either quit if that's the best they can do, or start to learn to improve.
With that in mind, I know it's hard to appreciate low value content at face value, but I try to understand that not everyone might be deliberately spamming. A short comment or request for a follow can be sincere, and someone may think what they're doing is the best way to grow here, until they learn. If my country's mean salary was $20 a month, and people made that from one self-upvote on their own posts, I'd sure as hell be overly excited to get my name in front of as many eyes as possible... because any attempt to blog as a minnow is a sinkhole most of the time.
I'm impressed with your genuine desire to give others the benefit of the doubt. I had thought that idea was growing outdated in a world rife with taking advantage of others. At first I thought you might just be looking for a fight by taking clweeks' comment the wrong way since I see a lot of that on other platforms. But, you genuinely wanted to point out the inherent good in everyone, that perhaps all of us should be a little more kind, a little more understanding, give a little more benefit of the doubt. It's refreshing to see that kind of faith in humanity. If I don't find sources like this to build it up, my faith in humanity tends to get slowly beaten down. Keep spreading it. :)
Thanks for reading through our discussion with an open mind, and nice job seeing the bigger picture in the string. Keep this positive approach and you'll do well on this platform. Welcome to Steemit.
It's a way to raise people with me. As they gain more SP, their vote are worth more for me...up and up we go together.
I always upvote my commenters. But then again, I have very few commenters, and so extra care I spend.
But, but, now that we have a linear voting algorithm, I can move a comment into getting at least 2¢ and thus, they get money, and I get a curation.
Keep doing it. It's worth it. 😊
I'm not sure there's a 30 minutes treshold on comments.
From my understanding, all types of posts are treated equal (same curation rule across the board)
But doesn't Steemit understand that you upvote anything, thus making your votes less credible? If this is not the case, it's an awesome opportunity which should be exploited for sure, but in the long run, I think it will create a fake community. Still, I will upvote all the comments, lol.
I'm not sure I understand what you are talking about. People pre-curate my comment section for a profit, how is that creating a fake community?