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RE: Announcing the Platform, Which Will Bring Steemians Together In Person
Post written but not put up. I checked but there were no posts at @kin-shep. I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything in my post before I put it up.
We have not created a blog for the channel yet and won't for a few days. Those are mostly for curation, so we need posts under the tags to put them to use.
We will be posting an instruction and introduction blog for each by the end of the week.
Is there any info you would like to know beyond what's in the post?
I can try to get the in-depth informational post up for @kin-shep soon for you.
If you are looking for what info to share in your #kin-shep post, check out our original announcement post here, let us know if you have any specific questions after looking through that.
I did use the original for a guide. One thing I did not see was any way of vetting someone who would be coming to stay in your home. Some Steemits I might know from their posts, but there are many, many more I don't. How would we address this? That was the foremost thing I was looking for.
I am a WWOOF host and we thoroughly vet anyone coming to stay: checking references, valid ins. card, etc. We've had some wonderful people, but we've also had some less than stellar, usually because the references were hard to check. Won't go there again.
So just wondering how this will be working...
I understand where you're coming from. I would really like this program to be both safe and useful for all parties involved. The transparency of steemit interactions allows impressive clarity of character if the user is active and engaged with their community.
We intend for the folks who are able/interested in helping to be able to respond using the #shep-heard tag, possibly specifying the farms they are interested in by tagging the kin-shep farm hosts in their post. From then on the vetting would be done through conversations between users.
I am interested in making sure the program is as safe and comfortable to use as possible, if you (or anyone reading) have any ideas on what we can incorporate and bring into the program to help this happen, please let me or @notconvinced know!
You are welcome to message me further on this topic via discord if you choose, my username on discord is coyoteom#4240. If you don't use discord feel free to keep commenting :)
I am afraid that we cannot offer any kind of vetting or even identification verification. Shep is just an area to compile specific information to be easily searched. We are not offering a service, just a platform to connect people.
I suggest that you get their names and just do a google search.
Me, myself and I prefer not to judge by any other means besides getting to know a person by hanging out. They are good until they are not.
A person can appear squeeky clean through any kind of vetting and not be a good person. On the flip, a person could be an ex-convict and end up being a great person.
I was not looking for vetting, but wondering if it was allowed or encouraged, as on WWOOF. And your points are valid, re: clean vet/bad person, etc. But by and large, our experience has been, good references=good person, poor references=not so good.
One of the vetting things we did do on the WWOOF program was a 3 day stay to see if it would work out, after doing an extensive farm visit/interview. And that after talking about expectations on both sides, to make sure it was a good fit. We were quite pro-active about doing our own checking out.
I am too new here to really know anyone yet. And anyone coming here would be living in our home. I guess I'm of the safer than sorrier camp...
Those are both great ideas and I know of many hosts that do the same thing.
You are correct that it would be a good idea to mention it in the instructions that it's a good idea to ask for references and to not commit to a long stay, until after a test period.
We'll make sure to mention safe practices in the future. Thank you for pointing it out.
Also, the nice thing about Shep is that any helpers you find here are Steemit users. We hope you choose to blog about your helpers, whether it be positive or negative.
If everyone blogs about their Shep experiences, then a reputation for both #kin-shep and #shep-heard's will start to be established.
This would work both ways, I feel like it is even more sketch to go alone out in the bush in some random country to "some cool people's farm"... A system of recommendation both for parties could be helpful maybe?
Also maybe the host should provide a kind of separate shelter, so they don't have to have the guest "in their home"...
I wish we could provide something separate but it's not possible here. Just the tent, which is less than ideal...
Many farms do have separate accommodations, but we can't.
But I agree, both parties need to be vetted. That's why one of the first things we do is have a conversation about expectations on both sides.
Oddly enough, WWOOF doesn't have a host vetting protocol, as far as I know. They can be reviewed by WWOOFers who have stayed there. That's all, as far as I know.
I personally don't think people who are into learning things about permaculture and sustainable farming/homesteading/primitive building etc, have wicked intentions, and I don't think that this type of farmers/hosts have those intentions either.
But I can imagine many people who go "off-grid" or people who are attracted to that lifestyle might have had "troubled pasts", but that on the other hand doesn't necessarily make them bad people.
I agree with the first statement, but our experience has been there are those who are looking for a free place to stay and don't want to learn or contribute. Those are the ones we seek to screen out. It's happened a few times to us, always when the references weren't great.
Troubled pasts don't bother us so much as not having good references for who you are now.