Thanks Ebon, Some of my best friends just stare at me blankly. I can spend an hour trying to come from every perspective I can think of and they are still just right where we were when we started. “I think our society has always been so focused on specialization,” Exactly, if you don\t have the right credentials you don’t get in. When those in power now have a home turf to protect they tend to distort the truth. I guess a way to look at this is to consider a collective intelligence as a form of artificial intelligence., a hybrid. I can not imagine scientist creating AI and neglecting logic. Why then do we humans need to be left out of the loop concerning new applications for logic. Talk about specialization! If AI goes all epistemological on us, we are in trouble. Please, tell me if I am crazy. I will check out the U tube pages. Oh, and I came across some sort of alternative Utube today D tube? Suzi3d has a post with it. Thanks again!