It really baffles me how the anti-spam police continue to shame and downvote spam/spammers...and then double or triple (or more) down on the spam. And then, to be entirely hypocritical, they upvote THEIR OWN spam and call it “doing good for the community!”
So for every one spam post/comment that “adds no value to Steem,” the Steem Flag Rewards participants are adding another two, three, four, or more spam comments to the chain, which - according to their own claims - adds no value. If spam adds no value, then they ought to stop spamming more than the spammers they’re trying to dis-incentivize and stop rewarding themselves for spamming.
I’ve had this exact conversation before with both Steemcleaners reps and SFR reps. Of course, they think their own behavior is righteous...and their rewards justified. Go figure.
It’s just other people’s spam that “adds no value” and should be downvoted. That’s the Steem way - be hypocritical as fuck while funneling rewards to yourself.
Good job, team! Pat yourselves on the back for “protecting” the shit out of the blockchain!
STEEM - "Where you can be hypocritical as fuck while funneling rewards to yourself. Join today!"
#marketing
Hey, it’s better than the current attempts at marketing.
Can we get some dog park advertising again? I heard it’s the future...
SFR should transition to upvoting posts through the Steem engine tokens... It's in process, and a year ago there was no decent SMT stand-in. Now there is.
If we want abuse to decrease, we need incentivize abuse fighting. Right now, the best to do that is upvotes (sadly, on automated comments).
I suggested that the ratio between the flag value and the SFR upvote should be significantly lower (in the 0.5-0.75 area), but I am in minority opinion. Although, at the moment, the goal is to actually popularize abuse fighting, so a 1:1 ratio has some benefits in the short term.
It will take some time to reach perfection. Please be patient
I agree that there could be a better way to manage the content produced by SFR when dealing with abuse, and I see from the reply below that it is being worked on.
Additionally trail users can switch off comments by commanding
?set username comment false.Here you go...flag some of this spam.
https://steemit.com/@steemflagrewards/comments
And don’t forget to hit this spam too.
https://steemit.com/@steemflagrewards/recent-replies
Actually working on a system to reduce the comment footprint.
We will be issuing tokens as something of an IOU that users may employ on content.
Just had a baby so development has slowed somewhat. I'll try to kick it up a notch.
Thanks for the feedback, @ats-david. 👌
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You said something like that last year when I pointed this out. I think it has only gotten worse.
We have Steem Engine now. Token is created. I've already some code.
Regardless of whether you find value in the process, there are human moderators reviewing each flagged post and approving them.
Each follow on flag expresses concurrence to that approval and trust in the SFR team. It's is a reply not to the OP of the flagged post but the bot comment or original flagger comment.
Therefore, in that context, suggesting it is spam is a reaching. The follow on flag comments are relevant to the parent content whether they are automated via flag trail or manual.
Maybe stop sippin' that haterade for a second and consider how much work you are overlooking in all this.
I get damn near slave wages as a dev but it's not about the $$$. It's about affecting the profitability of reward pool abuse... But you would prefer people aren't compensated and would brazenly call the activity spam wholly disregarding what is happening in the background off-chain. The coordination. The teamwork. The camraderie. Fuck all that, right?
This is precisely why I will be recommending any SFR supporter unvotes your witness. I'm fed up with your shit.
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Alcon, if you are voting @ats-witness, take note of the adversarial posture he has taken against what we do.
This is worse than spam IMHO and the core issue with this platform.
Someone criticizes how you do what you do and your response is to get mad, then ask for others to pull support from that person ... for not agreeing with you.
This is why STEEM sucks, it's the people, not the spam.
Yeah, it’s the people like Anthony here who turn valid criticism into “Stop shitting on my spam project, bro!”
And the hypocrisy is even worse. This guy is so anti-bot that he created his own bot. He’s so anti-vote-selling that he created a token for a bot that will essentially sell votes...but for flagging.
And then he probably uses this bot project to get those delegated Utopian votes as well.
All of this selfless work “for the community, bro!”
Then he pretends that we’ve had any real discussions other than me pointing out his spam project and hypocrisy...and then also pretends that he has somehow “checked” me.
Hey, whatever he needs to say to get some Steem street cred.
Hmm...maybe I’ll screen shot this shit up. Then we can see just how absurd he is with all of these self-righteous claims he likes to make.
I do wonder though...do his chat comments align with his blockchain comments? Inquiring minds, bro...
What the frick did you just freakin say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Flag Corps, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on meme ripoff vote farms, and I have over 300 confirmed SFR flag mentions. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top flag campaign coordinator in the entire SFR armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the frick out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my freakin words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, mother trucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the blockchain and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're freakin dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill your reputation in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your effin tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you damn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're frickin dead, kiddo.
Note: This is just a copypasta meme and totally not serious. I just thought the absurdity of it would have possibly got a laugh out of my favorite critic. Sorry if it was interpreted otherwise.
wow. I've had four kids and been sleep deprived all to hell and never one time did being tired make me resort to physical (and otherwise!) threats on a person.
He's been giving me shit for a minute. It's the complete disregard for the off chain activity and work put in on discord for the sake of Steem that ticks me off.
I don't reckon you have been of our Discord but there are plenty of people to bear witness to what is going on. Many of them can be found in the thread.
Ats has shitting on SFR for a while. It's not honest criticism but more theatrics. He and I have got into it a few times. I checked him for being an asshole on @steemalliance. It's his way.
There is a positive ways to give feedback. Like yes, I am working to deprecate follow on flags. I just had a baby, am sleep deprived, and am tired of his attitude. I've dealt with it a few too many time and other people on the chain (not his buddies) know EXACTLY what I am talking about.
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David just had a baby tew, give him a break bro!
He also has no frens, so we can't be "buddies" ... but i get that the collectivist mind can't comprehend individualism. #honk-honk
I'll trade you your Clown Ned for my limited edition Jim Honkler.
Yo I'm done having it out with him. I just need to hurry the hell up and ax the follow on flag feature so he can't wag that in our faces anymore.
Worked until 3 am last night and think we're getting to the finishing stretch. At least he pushed me to make more progress so there's that.
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It’s comment spam. It’s not “reaching” to identify it as such. That’s just what it is and it’s worthless in terms of “adding value to the blockchain.”
Cool story, bro. Go fuck yourself. I don’t give a shit about witness approval from self-righteous, virtue-signaling, hypocritical assholes.
You whine about not “getting paid.” Did you ever stop and think about why that is? Did it ever occur to you that your spam-and-reward service on Steem just isn’t in high demand from people actually willing to pay for it?
Maybe invest some of your pittance into some business and economics 101 classes.
Everyone, if you’re supporting Anthony here in any way, take notice of how fucking high-and-mighty and utterly clueless he is.
No, it's not designed for my personal profit probably which is probably more than I can say for your bid bot endeavors.
I give my time knowing all too well it is worth more than I will get back. It's all good. I'm okay with being a flag force multiplier as a hobby. I would just need to put in an extra hour at my job to pay me what I get for my highest paid posts (utopian project updates)
Whether you want to accept it or not, there is a demand for what I do. It's just not extremely lucrative in terms of MY wallet.
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Says the man from the high horse. Give me a break!
I already explained the rationalization for follow on flag value so whether you accept it or not is on you. The crux of my argument is the ACTIVITY off chain is where the value exists.
Are you that dense that you reject that value can be imported from activities that occur off-chain? I'll enumerate a list again since you seem slow to understand.
The trail followers help shave value from abuse and it is transferred to them in the form of rshares because you know well most users on this chain will not do something without an incentive.
That's the process. What you are telling me in that there is nothing of value to the chain? If so, you are beyond help and not worth one more second of my time.
✌️out
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Oh, right. I forgot. Chatting on Discord makes it totally cool to spam and reward yourself and your friends...in the name of “protecting you from spammers!”
What a fucking joke.
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Bot comments are OPT-IN and are a notification of flag approval on our discord.
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hmmm - just had a similar thought hence my comment, at least the good flaggers should flag the real rapers not the small ones that usually are the victims of such a cleaining initiative
They probably create fake accounts to spam then reward themselves for flagging it. After all the effort to create this system they need a way to keep it self sustaining. They wouldn't want to work themselves out of a job.
Yeah, that would be a good way to milk the system while pretending to be "doing good for the community." And you're right - it would keep them "working" in virtual perpetuity.
Maybe we could give this a try ourselves! Then we'd be #saviors too!
That's a good idea, I'll make an account called @notskepticology and start shitposting then flagging it with SFR to reap rewards.
Brilliant!