And They Wonder Why We Left...

in #busy6 years ago

Keep Your Mouth Shut Or Else!



I made the mistake of trying to give MY OPINION on a new battle that seemed to be starting between @berniesanders and @fulltimegeek. I wasn't vicious towards anyone (other than maybe @ned), and frankly I think the message is one that everyone should hear. I was trying to get people to focus on Steemit and the reasons why people are leaving.

And for this, not only was that comment downvoted, but so was almost all of my payout of my post coming due downvoted. I guess speaking your mind and offering constructive advice doesn't sit well with some folks.

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Here is the exact unedited comment I made so that you can judge for yourself (link):

Bottom line is that all you guys need to realize that this place is going to die without new blood. You can take what you can, but the "take" is getting smaller every day. When I got here 10 months ago, Steem was $8... Now its $0.80 ... That means its lost 90%.

You and @fulltimegeek can fight all you want (and add in @haejin too), but the bottom line is that people like me are leaving in droves. You can fight for the scraps and maybe live another year, but I'm telling you this place was loved by many at one point. It was something that kept us coming back religiously. Now... not so much.

And if you think that limiting people's ability to be "social" (like @ned wants) is the answer, then you are in the "grab what you can" phase that he's in.

Its ok to do what you want. All of you. This is life and people should be free to make their own choices. But if you don't open your eyes and see what is happening below you, then you will wake up one day and say "wow, why didn't anyone tell me".

I suggest a different path...

I suggest that you and @fulltimegeek and others like you quit bickering and talk some fucking sense into @ned. Steemit was revolutionary... That made Steem attractive. If you turn it into another cryptocoin, then it will suffer the fate of the other 99% of alt coins out there. Think about what makes Steem special, and you guys have the answers if you focus on what your competitive advantages are.

Good luck to all... I'm out.. Thanks for listening to those that got this far!

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Flags Used To Punish And To Keep Control



The funny thing is the post he flagged to send the message was actually upvoted by the same accounts at the time. But now when he didn't like what I had to say, then I guess "I must be punished". Taking away not only the rewards of the comments, but flagging me of what payout I had coming definitely worked to send a message. I got it loud and clear:

conform or be destroyed



Sadly, there are only a few that will try to fight against this message being "the message" that tons of people receive here. Most like @ned and the whales won't do a damn thing to their fellow whale buddy, nor will they attempt to fix the message. Yes there are a few like @fulltimegeek and @lyndsaybowes and handful of other that will try, but the bottom line is they are too few and not strong enough to do it on their own.

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And They Wonder Why We Left...



This place has some wonderful people and many with awesome intentions. To them I say you've earned my respect and I'm truly grateful we crossed paths.

This place has some greedy and mean assholes too. To them I say you having to live with yourselves is punishment enough in this life (both here and in the real world).

And finally, this place has a lot of ostriches as well. To them I say nothing will ever get fixed if you (and your fellow ostriches) don't get your head out of the sand.

A few ostriches are tolerable, but when leaders like @ned and the whales don't do anything to stop the real abuses that are obvious, then please don't wonder why we left.

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Okay.... Real quick johndoer vent.

Man fuck those people sir. They don't give a shit about you or others that do more for the community then they ever have(or probably will.) You, asher, fulltime, surpassinggoogle, and so many more. You guys are the heart and soul of of this place. Yous are the ones who keep guys like me (and so many others) coming back. All they care about is MONEY and POWER. (CONTROL) They are they nerds who were picked on and had the shit beat out of them in school. Now they're "adults" and instead of using their positions to ensure equality, they have become the shithead bullies themselves. They've attacked other great leaders/helpers of the community as well. One in particular that comes to mind is bunnypuncher. He was giving away over 200sbd a month in his simple "leave any comment" posts. Then he started a bidbot called bpclan.... AND.... BOOM, here come the flags. They hit him so hard he had to quit his give away. Actually until today he hadn't posted for about a month. His contest was a daily contest, so he is VERY missed by a lot of people. Any way, I'm rambling, as I'm known to do. Bottom line...remember, its not just you guys they're hitting. And i am always here to support you. And quite frankly i wouldn't blame you if you said fuck this place, and these assholes and left. Also truthfully, this place has lost its vigor and isn't much fun any more.
I do hope they leave you alone. You don't deserve it. You're a great guy that is always trying to help everyone. I love you brother and hopefully this will all be resolved without to much more harm.

Thank you for the very nice things you said about me in your "vent". I think the world of you too btw @johndoer! :) ... And I think your synopsis was spot on and while many at the top will never read it, it is something that many of us feel. That's a terrible thing that happened to @bunnypuncher, I saw that bot the other day and didn't know anything about it. I like that you pointed out how his absence is being felt and its a lesson that many will find out only too well after the fact.

Its great hearing from you and glad you are still tuning in. I agree this place isn't as much fun as it used to be and hopefully that can change one day soon. As for me, I'll continue to show up and see how this goes... there's just too many very good people like you that I don't want to walk away from.

Always great to see you and don't forget to reach me on discord one of these days soon! ;)

Well, thank you for your kind words also. I have thought about "i wonder how many people have actually left". And so ive started going through my already whittled down following list. I'm surprised(kinda) at how many aren't posting or are only posting weeklyish. And I actually kind of forgot about getting a hold of you there. Im sorry, been busy. But i will right now. Because i have another question for you.

yes the number of posts has gone down a ton. I'm glad to see people hanging in there and doing at least a post a every week or so though!

I'm not so sure they are hanging in there. These last two days I've received like a dozen messages of people who had lost motivation - which I can fully relate to. It's because I don't know where to find the info that I don't know, but I bet people are leaving dozens at a time.

According to @penguinpablo's stats from last Friday, the number of posts is going up again. And on Friday, 5,134 new accounts were created. I hope they were created by the dApps, because if this would be real users, I pity them...

There's also a lot more powered down than there is powered up - which is no surprise of course...

Yes I don't have anything other than comments to me and my intuition, but I am hearing the same thing. I am hoping that it is not completely giving up and more of a protest. But its definitely different and you might be right that my characterization of them "hanging in there" my be too kind. (because they might be gone)

I wish they would get the part about the new accounts making 10 comments isn't good enough, because that is a change they can make rather fast once they realize how significant it is.

Instead they act like "spam" is the real problem and want to control those messages at the bottom. I hope they don't let it go too far before they fix it (and they will fix it, its only common sense).

There was an official announcement that they are working on an RC delegation pool.
Everyone is talking about ' a fix', but personally I don't believe for a second they are going to hand out the RC delegations for free. It's just another source of income for the big accounts, and a luxury for the smaller accounts that can afford it. And the others... they will still be muted.

They really wanted to turn this into a busines platform. I've been approached by someone from... I lost the name of the group..., but they were actively working for @oracle-d. The introductory post says enough.
If you want a site to attract investors, there is no place for redfish and minnows...

All the above are just my assumptions. Who knows they might surprise me and throw around the RC delegations like they are Santa Clause and we live happily ever after...

lol... you are starting to sound like @beeyou :P ... she has been pissed ever since the steem-ua dude was less than pleasant to her

ps... after I pointed out they didn't rank me right, he just didn't vote my post at all :D ... the joys of steemit huh!

You have the ostriches, but you forgot to mention the lions! People like you who are brave enough to voice their opinon.

Even after getting burned for it, I might add!

Thank you for that very nice compliment @nomadicsoul! I'm honored you'd make such a statement :)

How dare ya give an honest opinion!
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I know... The nerve of me! :P

True and true.
You get flagged just by comment on this comment.
Ha ha ha

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that's funny and not far from the truth! :P

Vicious cycle. I had a 'difference of opinion' conversation earlier today with unnamed steemian and the topic of flagging was brought about. My community support project might be flagged upon too. We will see! The joys of this platform.

Yes, in theory it would work if they limited it to their reaction to something said and thus show their thoughts about a particular point/post/comment. But when they then abuse that power and use it as a tool to suppress, then they have gone too far. I hope some big boys start policing their own because otherwise the "joys of this platform" will be too much to handle! :)

I tried to manage the comments so I didn't give you a full upvote. But I failed. So if you comment again, then I will make up the difference! :D

From @berniesanders: "An active player in the social game? You REALLY think I care about the social aspect of this blockchain?" that was one of the responses he left.
@mightypanda: "^^ This guy deserves a downvote" a comment he left here, so @berniesanders downvoted it. Now since @mightypanda did not downvote the person, just pointed them out, and @berniesanders downvoted him, (remember he does not care about the social aspects), why would he down vote that person? He talks about shit post, yet he can do a post with a title only and 200 + of his sycophants upvoted and it garnered 109 comments, (granted a few were bernie responses). But he does not care for the social aspects then why should he care for about the shit post. he wants to self vote, but when @haejin was self voting and getting a big vote from that ranchlexo person he was upset about it. Robbing from the reward pool he called it. @berniesanders is no different than a hypocritical religious priest telling people to do what I say not what I do.

Personally I would like to see @berniesanders only self vote, then all these hangers on of his would go away since he would not be throwing them peanuts every now and then. It is his vote and he can use it how he wants, he just does not want anyone else to have that option. He is after all a part of the me-too crowd. I want my cake and I want it now and I will lie, beg, borrow, cheat, and steal to get it, and if you try to stop me I will tell the whole world how you made me a victim.

Dude, do your research before mentioning people, bernie had a downvoted before my comment and I just pointed out this person based on his comment. I don't downvote people for disagreement.

Hey @mightypanda... First thanks for reading and looking out for me on the post/comments. And I also wanted to tell you that @bashadow is a good guy like yourself. I think you both just got off on the wrong foot, but I have no doubt that you would get along if you guys get past this little mixup. Just an fyi, both of you are very good peeps! :)

Lately i have found people get triggered too easily and start looking for some reason to blame. Even light weight comments attracts too much scrutiny. I usually try to avoid all this. Mostly because i m not the intellectual type and my only interests are finance and programming.

so much negativity at the moment.

Part of that is fear that it won't get fixed. Very few above us will admit that Steemit will get more RCs to the new users. The worry is that no new blood will come in (and stay), because they can't do much. I've seen it first hand myself, so I know the frustration is real. The negativity stems from the belief that they don't get it.

I am not going to steemD every post I read. Had you clarified and made your comment a question such as "I wonder why?" then I would not have mentioned your name. I am not going to hover over every time stamp either, and the only way to have determined when the downvote occurred would have been to use steemd. You could have tried like D-pend and educate the person about his comment instead of making it look like you called for someone to downvote the person.

Why do the research when you can write a comment to make yourself sound smart?

How's that for a question?

Speaking of research, I have never claimed to be smart. I have also never said someone deserves to be down voted, but then again I have always said a person's vote is their vote to do with as they want.

You may not down vote people but your comment made it look like you have no qualms about having others take care of your dirty work.

As I pointed out had you taken time to educate the person then this self defense of your comment, would not be taking place.

And your question is not a question at all it is a statement on your part, once again sidestepping the embarrassment of being lumped in with @berniesanders. So I suggest you do as I am about to do, place me on mute so you do not have to have your sensitive eyes view my comments, no need to reply to this you are going on mute as soon as I hit the post key.

Hey @bashadow, always great to get your thoughts and opinions. You are always there with some insightful information and analysis. Not much gets by you and I appreciate you sharing it freely (at your own risk too). I think the people at the top should realize that their treatment of others has an effect on the whole value of the chain. If they don't like the social aspect, I don't know why they don't just delegate like the other whales and get their return that way. Its kinda nutty to "run everyone off" by downvoting to show you have more ability to cause harm.

ps... I think you and @mightypanda got off on the wrong foot. Both of you are great guys that I vouch for, so just letting you know that your both on the same team! :)

I am sure he is a great guy, some differences are just not fixable. So as to avoid any other situations I did as I said, and muted him.

I would like nothing more than for someone like you to represent the people who are really trying to make a difference here at SteemFest3 and see what they have to say about the current state of affair on Steemit.com. Because as far as I know, there are many other platforms being developed that will probably soon overtake Steemit.com if we don't learn from the lessons and improve on what we have here. But I hope that there are other ways to get the message across to those that need to hear it...

Thank you very much @plushzilla.. and its very good to see you :) I completely agree with you that other platforms are/will be springing up all the time going forward. I hear that they are "working on it", but I don't really see anything that addresses the "social aspect". I hope its so, because you are right and sometimes its the delivery of the message that makes all the difference in the world!

So are you planning to be at SteemFest3 or maybe SteemFest4? :)

lol... Hell I don't even know what I'm doing this weekend... that's way too long from now :P

Excellent post. I think these are the real issues. I think there is more going on behind the scenes than we are lead to believe. Ned made some comments recently about building a brand new interface (app) to interact with steem that is in a separate corporate structure to steemit. It will probably get worse before it gets better but most of them (but not all) can see the blood dripping out of the open wound at the moment and they know they have to fix it. You get bickering on any platform. I am hoping this period of chaos will result in a much improved user experience . Its not easy trying to do a social media based blockchain. Just look at WeKu and people going over in droves to avoid the spam here and now coming back as WeKu has degenerated into platform for spammers and scammers. Ultimately no one has solved these problems that steem is trying to solve and the grass always seems greener elsewhere. Lets hope we can succeed.

I'm with you and hope steemit (or some social version using Steem) survives and then succeeds! I appreciate the fact that you took the time to read the post and to give a thought out reply. Many older Steemians don't do that, especially one that is a little more critical. I think many of the people that read my blog will appreciate the fact that you took the time to explain your position.

And while I realize that there are things that need to be fixed and addressed (and that takes time), I think more people would be more comfortable if they had an inkling that people are working on fixing them. The impression many have is that the problems are falling on tin ears, so if that's truly the case, it would be awesome if they can improve the message. ;)

I would say most people I encounter love many of the aspects of the technology, plus more importantly have invested tons of time and make great connections. So I don't think they need to be afraid to say "we are going to improve this or that".

Thank you again, that is really cool to get that message from you @intrepidphotos!

Thanks. Likewise appreciate you taking the time to reply to my comment.

When I now have new (rep 25) people responding to my comments as a private message on discord, because they're RC won't allow them to comment on their own posts, it seems pretty impossible that new users will join or stay. Doesn't make any sense at all to me anymore.

Give me a list and I'll sort them out x

One is @cendrinemedia ... ready to quit already :(

Thank you so much for tagging me @davemccoy! Yes, markangeltrueman and I are giving out some delegations and it looks like Ashman is willing to help as well. I did check out cendrinemedia and it looks like they posted 3 times in the last 24 hrs and still have plenty of RCs? Just making sure I got the correct username

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If you come across anyone having issues please send them our way! There are plenty of people willing to help as we all figure out how this works long term. Thank you!

@llfarms, @lynncoyle1

She received a donation from someone earlier today, which gave her the ability to power up. She sent me a note, because she wanted to retract her entry in my contest. She didn't think it was fair now she had been able to power up to 70+SP

Ah makes sense.. I didn’t dig, just took a quick glance. So glad someone was able to help her out. Thanks for letting me know!

Thanks for the info @simplymike! And for helping out as always!

Hello there! "They" is "she" as you can see on my profile photo. ;-)

Yes, someone very kindly made me a huge donation of Steems last night. As a result, I felt that it would be unfair to keep my name in the list. But without that help, I would have been stuck at 23 SP for a very long time.

@llfarms, no worries. ;-) The current SP doesn't allow me to engage as much before. Before the hard fork, I was VERY active. That's how I came across a lot of great content and bloggers. But now, I have to be very careful about what I do, even with this wonderful gift. I see that I am allowed about 8 posts at a time, which doesn't leave much room, since I post twice a day...

@davemccoys, nice to meet you as well! I cannot comment freely, for the reasons I mentioned above. But it's better than posting and then having to wait before my RCs are fully recharged.

It's wonderful to know that users are trying to help minnows. This hard fork really killed the experience for me. I loved Steemit but now I am thinking of focusing on other platforms...

Ah yes, I just put your username into Steemd to see the current status and hasn’t made it to your profile yet (at work but our delegation will be announced later so wanted to add anyone I needed to). Sorry about that . So glad to hear that you received a gift, and very considerate of you to take yourself out of the running. Do you feel that with your current SP you able to engage as normal?

Nice to meet you @cendrinemedia! And I'm glad that they got you to a point where you can comment freely! If you run across any others in the future that are in your position, then feel free to let @abh12345 and @llfarms know as both of them are very aware of the situation and friendly towards helping the new steemians going!

Have a wonderful weekend!

Thank you for being there and helping @llfarms! I will keep sending them your way when I find them!

@llfarms @abh12345 @lynncoyle1 I can give delegations as well. I don't want new users to get frustrated and leave

Thank you so much @nomadicsoul :)

awesome Lynn... keep feeding them to Asher and @llfarms

Thanks for helping Asher. And if you run out of ability, @llfarms is also helping the newbies that have this problem.

You can find a list on my contest post. I've added a couple of names myself, because those people reached out to me on Discord. Haven't checked out all their profiles yet, but there are a couple we surely need to keep here

Awesome again @simplymike... Keep letting both Asher and @llfarms know when you run across more. We might not be able to change the policy yet, but we can at least help a few get to the people that can make a difference! Thank you for your help!

that will be another way to help for sure. Its not the way I would've solved it, but its a step in the right direction and I hope it happens soon!

But it's gonna be a paid one, if I didn't misunderstand what I read yesterday...

If they find a way to do it, then they will be able to do it non-paid too. There will be no excuse. So even if the purpose is only a paid version, then it will still be a benefit.

yes Lynn I agree. I think they really need to rethink the amount they are charging for the comments. I know that Asher replied that he will help (and also @llfarms said she will also help too), so that is something at least to help us out until such time as @ned and the rest of the braintrust figures this out. So take Asher and @llfarms up on their offer to help the newbies, they are a decent option compared to the alternative of doing nothing.

Its good to see you and tell Brian I said "hi"!

Please send them to my contest post, @lynncoyle1. They can enter by contacting me on Discord (simplymike#5957)

Are you kidding me? So far for freedom of speech... :0(
What use does it have to stay if you can't disagree with someone without getting downvoted, and then called an 'unfortunate victim'...

I'm with you... Its incredible to read this stuff and wonder how the hell Steem ever got to $8 in the first place... And its incredible (x 1000) that they think it will be going back to $8 unless they make some changes and listen to the users like us that are trying to help them.

Thanks @davemccoy for your opinion, which I think has a lot of Truth to it, and fearlessness in what you believe. Very commendable :)

Thank you very much for that terrific compliment @robertandrew. That's truly an awesome thing to say!

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