RE: OCDB and Downvotes | A #NewSteem approach
Vote circles can be a tough thing to decide on. What is a vote circle, how many people or few pople make a vote circle? Is not SBI a form of vote circle, people pay for a vote in the form of buying into the system. SBI is pretty large now, but it started small. How about Steem-UA is that not a vote type circle, instead of buying in you delegate in for a vote. How about minnowshares, or some of the smaller passive income stream builders, are they not a form of vote circle?
If we are going to describe a vote circle as only those that vote for each others content what if only half of a persons votes go back to those in the perceived circle? Do we all need to take a look at our daily number of votes cast and compare it to number of accounts voted on to avoid being thought of as a circle voter? Smaller accounts have fewer votes that they can cast so may have, a smaller cast votes verse accounts voted on ratio.
Most cases are blatant that much is pretty well understood, but as with the current trending page clean-up against vote bots, this could have a deep effect. A persons vote is their vote. Does anyone really have the right to tell others who they can vote for, how often they can vote for, or when they can vote for someone else? Like the up vote, the down vote can be used in a circular fashion.
Are down vote gangs something we really want to see on steemit. I, like many of you, have seen comments flagged and grey out for no apparent reason. Are we going to have more gulag crime gangs of down voters? "You cheated so you are going to have everything you do on steemit down voted and greyed out for the entire life span of steemit, and the steem block chain".
All I can say is down votes are a slippery slope, the road to hell, is as they say, "paved with the best of intentions".
I'd strongly reccommend to check the example I cited on the post as that is exactly what we aim to counter.
Citing @acidyo's comment about this topic: https://steemit.com/abuse/@tarazkp/downvoting-is-sweetsss
Of course voting for a favorite account(s) has nothing wrong.
That's exactly why I mentioned the key words "Circle voting farm", as in, people who farm Steem by voting posts/comments like the ones featured in the post linked.
That being said, we will be very careful when assesing if/when to cast a downvote as it is a delicate matter as you well mention.
Thanks for your input!
I checked the sample and am aware of it, and it definitely fits what I and most others would see as a circle of voters. I am just one of those that have seen good intentions spread to extremely bad results. A group of 9-14 people. When the small groups less than 15 are done with then what, do we expand to 30 in a co-op/tribe community? 40 in a co-op?
Two years, approaching three, this has gone on with that particular account. She had and until a few months ago still had, some very nice post that attracted a lot of attention. people, as with Hajien's account, tried to take some action. it created some great drama to watch unfold, grumpycat account tried to point out a lot of ways that behind the scenes under the radar was working, he gave up.
Ask anyone that has been involved with CPS (Child Protective Services), in any country what they think of the handling of the delicate matter of child protection worked out. It is not just CPS either there is an entire alphabet soups worth of groups that started off with good intentions.
Like the old quote "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".
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Just voicing my thoughts on the matter, no intent to come off as accusatory of any of this coming to pass from any individual or group involved. I am not turning a blind eye toward down voting things of this nature, but my own personal feelings of this type of down vote is that in the long run it will not be good for steem.
Plagiarism and excessive rewards are in my view a good reason to down vote, down voting someone for who they vote for is not even if it is a circle of voters like above. I understand in matter of fact it is to do with the rewards not the vote, it needs to be put out that way. Words do matter.
"We have this group of people that have been providing excessive rewards to each other and I think we should down vote some of these for the excessive rewards for low quality content they have been providing each other"
In the above you are not down voting their VOTE choices, their CIRCLE of FRIENDS, you are down voting the excessive rewards they give each other for low effort or low quality content. It is not a personal reason it is a financial reason.
You're being obtuse for no apparent reason, it is clearly not "because of who they vote for" that they are targeted, but because they are extracting rewards, it doesn't matter if it's a circle jerk as in a group or if it's one individual that is doing it, and it doesn't matter if it's referred to as circle voting or "a group of people providing excessive rewards for each other" because they both mean exactly the same thing.
I agree with you but the emphasis in the discussion on 'voting circles' tends to, perhaps more than intended, and almost certainly more than is ideal, put the focus on who is voting, who is receiving votes, and how those votes are made. In fact, it is the farming aspects which matters more than than the 'circle' aspect, as you said.
What if it's both? What if it's neither for financial reasons or personal but for social reasons, like setting an example? What made you think that saying circle voting magically as all hell turns the matter into personal?
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Do you already know our BEER CrowdfundingBEERtoken. Enjoy it!Downvotes aren't the slippery slope, only the way they are used is "a slippery slope". A thing is neither bad nor good, it is perfectly ambivalent, no matter if it's a bug zapper or a gun, and downvotes are much the same.